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Depending upon which *instructor* you talk, Adv Nitrox and Deep Air *will* be required. IANTD may not publicly say they require it, but the instructor very well can, and in the one case I am aware of, *will* require it. For one reason; money. "You just bring me your paycheck, and I'll tell you how much you have left to live on." Scott ----- Original Message ----- From: <ScottBonis@ao*.co*> To: <scottk@hc*.co*>; <TClagett@ao*.co*>; <techdiver@aquanaut.com> Sent: Monday, May 29, 2000 9:00 AM Subject: Re: Black comes out of the closet > Hi Scott from another Scott, again, > > Once again I do not understand your most recent message. My posting said << > these agencies no longer require deep air certification as a prerequisite to > studying trimix diving; either by eliminating the requirement outright or by > leaving it to the > discretion of the instructor. If you have any contradictory information, I > would appreciate your bringing it to my attention. >> And your recent > posting to me, while interesting, does not seem to shed any additional light > on this statement. > > Recall that I said they no longer REQUIRE deep air training before trimix, > and I still stand by that statement. Recall also please, that my statement > was made in answer to TClagett@ao* writing << ... considering some of the > dumb shit the cert agencies make you do prior to learning trimix. >> > > And once again I say << If you have any contradictory information, I would > appreciate your bringing it to my attention. >> > > Take care and safe diving, Scott > > > In a message dated 5/26/00 11:58:04 PM, cobber@ma*.ci*.co* writes: > << Who says you need to be certified to use trimix? >> > > > In a message dated 05/27/2000 5:19:15 AM EDT, ScottBonis@ao*.co* writes: > << Is this a particularly bright comment? > Take care and safe diving, Scott >> > > > In a message dated 5/27/00 6:37:09 AM, TClagett writes: > << Yes it is a bright comment considering some of the dumb shit the cert > agencies make you do prior to learning trimix. If you were teaching your > teenager to drive would you take him/her and get them drunk offf of their ass > and take them driving just so they would know how it would feel drunk. This > is why you shouldn't drive drunk, see how bad you wrecked the car. STUPID.>> > > > In a message dated 05/27/2000 12:49:15 PM EDT, ScottBonis@ao*.co* writes: > Hi Todd, > > I guess I must have lost the bubble, but I thought that most of the larger > technical diving agencies have recognized the hesitancy of many people to do > deep air dives. (And I suspect that the WKPP project can take credit for > having had a lot to do with this.) Accordingly, these agencies no longer > require deep air certification as a prerequisite to studying trimix diving; > either by eliminating the requirement outright or by leaving it to the > discretion of the instructor. If you have any contradictory information, I > would appreciate your bringing it to my attention. > > In a message dated 5/27/00 6:37:09 AM, TClagett writes also: > << Most of the people on this list were diving trimix before any agency would > even condone it much less certify you to dive trimix. >> > > I imagine that given the number of people on this list, their average trimix > diving experience, and the number of years that trimix diving certifications > have been available, I find it difficult to accept this statement as valid. > > Take care and safe diving, Scott > > > In a message dated 5/27/00 11:40:47 PM, scottk@hc*.co* writes: > << http://209.203.202.229/index1.html > Scott > > > In a message dated 05/29/2000 12:58:15 AM, ScottBonis@ao*.co* writes: > Hi Scott from another Scott, > > I do not understand your message. When I went to the IANTD site you > suggested I found the following information. > > <<< Normoxic Trimix Diver > The IANTD Normoxic Trimix Diver program is aimed at those who wish to dive in > the zone between 130 fsw (39 msw) and 200 fsw (60 msw) but are not > comfortable doing so on air. The course uses normoxic mixtures and consists > of 12 dives and one three (3) hour confined water session. Six (6) dives are > on air to depths between 100 fsw (30 msw) and 130 fsw (39 msw) and six (6) > dives involve practicing specified skills at depths between 30 fsw (9 msw) > and 90 fsw (27 msw). All dives will be performed with two (2) stage > cylinders. Four (4) Trimix dives are also made in the course with two (2) at > depths up to 165 fsw (50 msw) and two (2) at depths up to 200 fsw (60 msw). > This is an intense seven (7) day program enabling the graduate to be > qualified to dive normoxic Trimix to 200 fsw (60 msw). It does not qualify > the diver to use hypoxic mixtures to participate in dives deeper than 200 fsw > (60 msw). The text for the course is IANTD's Technical Diver Encyclopedia, > associated Technical Diver Workbook, Slides and newly developed Water-proof > Tables. > > The prerequisites for this course require dives no deeper than 90 ft. and > this course satisfies the prerequisites for more advanced trimix training. >>> > > Doesn't this simply reinforce my previous message? I read this as the > instructor need never have the student go deeper than 101 ft on air. This > seems reasonable to me for teaching introductory trimix. > > Take care and safe diving, Scott > > > In a message dated 5/29/00 8:01:29 AM, scottk@hc*.co* writes: > << http://209.203.202.229/index1.html also says: > > > Deep Air Diver > > This program has been developed to provide responsible training to divers > > who plan to dive to 130 fsw (39 msw) on air. The IANTD Deep Air Diver > > program trains divers in skills, performance, theory and planning of deep > > dives. This program remains within the commonly practiced depth of 130 fsw > > (39 msw). It is the first sanctioned program to provide proper international > > training in safe deep diving skills and performance. It is recommended that > > this program be taught in conjunction with the IANTD EANx Diver prog ram. > > > Advanced Deep Air Diver > > This program has been designed to provide safe training to those divers who > > carry out diving to depths greater than the commonly practiced depth of 130 > > fsw (39 msw). The IANTD Advanced Deep Air Diver program provides training to > > 160 fsw (49 msw). It is a tightly supervised program concentrating on safety > > and control of oxygen and narcosis risk. This program also provides training > > in many advanced forms of diving technique. > > > Normoxic Trimix Diver > > The IANTD Normoxic Trimix Diver program is aimed at those who wish to dive > > in the zone between 130 fsw (39 msw) and 200 fsw (60 msw) but are not > > comfortable doing so on air. The course uses normoxic mixtures and consists > > of 12 dives and one three (3) hour confined water session. Six (6) dives are > > on air to depths between 100 fsw (30 msw) and 130 fsw (39 msw) and six (6) > > dives involve practicing specified skills at depths between 30 fsw (9 msw) > > and 90 fsw (27 msw). All dives will be performed with two (2) stage > > cylinders. Four (4) Trimix dives are also made in the course with two (2) at > > depths up to 165 fsw (50 msw) and two (2) at depths up to 200 fsw (60 msw). > > This is an intense seven (7) day program enabling the graduate to be > > qualified to dive normoxic Trimix to 200 fsw (60 msw). It does not qualify > > the diver to use hypoxic mixtures to participate in dives deeper than 200 > > fsw (60 msw). The text for the course is IANTD's Technical Diver > > Encyclopedia, associated Technical Diver Workbook, Slides and newly > > developed Water-proof Tables. > > > Scott -- Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'.
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