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Date: Mon, 8 May 2000 08:00:13 -0700 (PDT)
From: William Gearman <gearman_1@ya*.co*>
Subject: Re: burst disks
To: Bob s <szczepanski@te*.co*>, techdiver@aquanaut.com
Bob,

In "Most" cases, the answer is yes.  The "O" ring
on the plug will provide the seal.  On some
systems, you can leave the disk and thrust
washers in and just put the plug in on top to
double the disable.  The latter of the two is the
preferred method.

There are a few valves around this will not work
on though.  Sorry, I do not recall off top of
head which ones won't work.  Check treads closely
and if you detect "Any" resistance immediately
stop and verify treads are the same with an
appropriate gauge. Probably good idea to do this
beforehand anyway.  

If you deal with a shop which is not oriented
about overhead diving and they notice the plug,
they will most likely refuse to fill them.  In
this case, just double or triple the disk and use
original plug.  

Disk manufacturers have begun crimping the disk
to the plugs of late which makes the old style
disks hard to come by though.  You can also
fabricate a replacement disk from a thicker
material.  I have never done this one myself
personally but some on the list have and will be
able to provide material specifications,
recommendations and engineering calculations I am
sure.  

I once witnessed 10 cylinders burn in a boat fire
and observed that 5 of 10 cylinders ruptured out
the side before the disks went.  Based upon this
experience, I consider disks as unreliable with a
random 50% failure rate.  Fill system operators
would be well advised to be aware of this event.

Due care must also be taken not to overfill
"Plugged cylinders" accidentally or risk a
catastrophic failure or at the least destroy the
hydrostatic characteristics of the vessel.  Once
I walked in on an inattentive operator taking one
to 5800 before they caught it and there was a
correct disk installed in the valve.  As I said,
unreliable.  I could not get out of that shop
fast enough for mental comfort....

A standard aluminum 80ft3 at 3K has the
equivalent explosive force of 50 # of 50% TNT. 
For every one degree increase in ambient
temperature , you get approximately a 10 PSI
increase in vessel pressure.  A raging fire can
easily generate temperatures in excess of 2500
degrees Fahrenheit.  The math reveals the lethal
potential.  Increase in explosive force is
exponential.

Do not store filled or partially filled cylinders
in an area subject to fire or exposure to extreme
heat including sunshine.  One who does may get
more than they bargained for.  Even a disk going
will turn a big weighty cylinder into a "Jumping
Bean" capable of inflicting substantial damages
and/or injuries if it is not secured to
something.  Take care whether "Plugged" or not,

Sincerely,

William

--- Bob s <szczepanski@te*.co*> wrote:
> has anyone tried replacing the burst disk with
> the regulator LP port plugs? the threads appear
> to be same. the LP plug does screw in. if I use
> the nylon washer from the burst disk, will this
> plug work?
> 
> bob s
> Some days it is just not worth gnawing through
> the restraints.
> 
> 
> 
> 

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