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This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01BFA698.A37D4940 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Don, a couple of comments: People do get along here. However, most people on this list have tremendous passion, experience, and a deep love of the "sport". They are desperately trying to prevent people from killing themselves through stupidity. Sometimes people don't listen to good advice no matter how loud you shout. Or, to use a flame metaphor, children don't know the meaning of the word "hot" until they first burn themselves. By posting here, you're playing with fire. Everyone gets burned once in a while, but you learn a lot. Watch, participate, learn, and you will become a MUCH better diver than you ever imagined you could be. Also, there is a tremendous amount of humor sprikled amongst the flames, you just need to follow the posts for a while and pick it out. Having said that, let me give you a free lesson without flaming: "I am nowhere near being a tech diver and will probably never dive trimix or make a dive involving more than one short deco stop, and I have learned much here. I expect to never be a "DIR" diver, but I can understand where it comes from and if I was doing caves, deep wreck penetration or deco diving, I would be much like these people." DIR is not just for deep, cave, or wrecks, it's for everyone, all the time. It's a complete system designed to provide safe diving under all conditions. Anything else is sub optimal and can get you killed. What is your life worth? I've recently changed over and because of it, I feel I'm a much better diver and feel safer under all conditions. It's a system designed to repair all the damage done to divers from bullshit theories and principles learned from the mainstream agencies during your OW and other classes designed for the lowest common denominator. I strongly recommend that you reconsider that statement. See? I've been nice since you're new to the list. Next time may be different. Kurt -----Original Message----- From: Don Burke [mailto:donburke56@ya*.co*] Sent: Friday, April 14, 2000 8:18 AM To: techdiver@aquanaut.com Subject: Re: nice words? >I am new to this list and have so far learned quite a bit. However I have >been wondering, more and more with every post I read, does anyone >ever speak kindly of anyone else? Once in a while. In fact, much more often than it first appears. >I realize this is a list full of men and women that perform skills most of >the diving world would never dream (i.e., have nightmares) about, but in >diving, arrogance can kill you. The passion here seems to center around techniques that have demonstrated problems. >I know a few people on this list, after my first post several people I know >remarked "I see you found the tech list" and I have been informed that >fights make up the bulk of the posts. It runs in cycles. If someone was advocating something that had killed someone you knew and nearly killed you, how passionate would you be? >They also tell me, if I stick around and can wade through the fighting I >will learn a lot, so I intend to stick around for a while. As well >I hope to soon find time to read through some archives, you can never >learn too much. I am nowhere near being a tech diver and will probably never dive trimix or make a dive involving more than one short deco stop, and I have learned much here. I expect to never be a "DIR" diver, but I can understand where it comes from and if I was doing caves, deep wreck penetration or deco diving, I would be much like these people. When quick access to the surface is cut off for any reason much of personal preference needs to fall by the wayside. >To sum up I wish to quote a poor, bruised, taxi >driver, "can't we all just get along?" I think we can, but I don't put myself deep in caves underwater or up against a major deco ceiling. There are people here who can't say that. ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01BFA698.A37D4940 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META content=3D"text/html; charset=3Diso-8859-1" = http-equiv=3DContent-Type> <META content=3D"MSHTML 5.00.2614.3500" name=3DGENERATOR></HEAD> <BODY> <DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN = class=3D390184811-15042000>Don, a=20 couple of comments:</SPAN></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20 class=3D390184811-15042000></SPAN></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN = class=3D390184811-15042000>People=20 do get along here. However, most people on this list have = tremendous=20 passion, experience, and a deep love of the "sport". They are = desperately=20 trying to prevent people from killing themselves through=20 stupidity. Sometimes people don't listen to good advice no matter = how loud=20 you shout. Or, to use a flame metaphor, children don't know the = meaning of=20 the word "hot" until they first burn themselves. By posting here, = you're=20 playing with fire. Everyone gets burned once in a while, but you = learn a=20 lot. Watch, participate, learn, and you will become a MUCH better = diver=20 than you ever imagined you could be. Also, there is a tremendous = amount of=20 humor sprikled amongst the flames, you just need to follow the posts for = a while=20 and pick it out.</SPAN></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20 class=3D390184811-15042000></SPAN></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN = class=3D390184811-15042000>Having=20 said that, let me give you a free lesson without = flaming:</SPAN></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20 class=3D390184811-15042000></SPAN></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN = class=3D390184811-15042000>"I am=20 nowhere near being a tech diver and will probably never dive trimix or = make a=20 dive involving more than one short deco stop, and I have learned much=20 here. I expect to never be a "DIR" diver, but I can understand = where it=20 comes from and if I was doing caves, deep wreck penetration = or deco=20 diving, I would be much like these people."</SPAN></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20 class=3D390184811-15042000></SPAN></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN = class=3D390184811-15042000>DIR is=20 not just for deep, cave, or wrecks, it's for everyone, all the = time. It's=20 a complete system designed to provide safe diving under all=20 conditions. Anything else is sub optimal and can get you = killed. =20 What is your life worth? I've recently changed over and because of = it, I=20 feel I'm a much better diver and feel safer under all=20 conditions. It's a system designed to repair all the damage = done to=20 divers from bullshit theories and principles learned from the mainstream = agencies during your OW and other classes designed for the lowest common = denominator. I strongly recommend that you reconsider that=20 statement. </SPAN></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20 class=3D390184811-15042000></SPAN></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN = class=3D390184811-15042000>See? =20 I've been nice since you're new to the list. Next time may be=20 different.</SPAN></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20 class=3D390184811-15042000></SPAN></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20 class=3D390184811-15042000>Kurt</SPAN></FONT></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=3D390184811-15042000></SPAN><FONT face=3DTahoma><FONT = size=3D2><SPAN=20 class=3D390184811-15042000><FONT color=3D#0000ff=20 face=3DArial> </FONT></SPAN></FONT></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DTahoma><FONT size=3D2><SPAN=20 class=3D390184811-15042000> </SPAN>-----Original = Message-----<BR><B>From:</B>=20 Don Burke [mailto:donburke56@ya*.co*]<BR><B>Sent:</B> Friday, April = 14, 2000=20 8:18 AM<BR><B>To:</B> techdiver@aquanaut.com<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: nice = words?=20 <BR><BR></DIV></FONT> <BLOCKQUOTE style=3D"MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"></FONT> <P> </P> <P>>I am new to this list and have so far learned quite a bit. = However I=20 have >been wondering, more and more with every post I read, does = anyone=20 >ever speak kindly of anyone else?=20 <P>Once in a while. In fact, much more often than it first = appears.</P> <P>>I realize this is a list full of men and women that perform = skills most=20 of >the diving world would never dream (i.e., have nightmares) = about, but=20 in >diving, arrogance can kill you.</P> <P>The passion here seems to center around techniques that have = demonstrated=20 problems.</P> <P>>I know a few people on this list, after my first post several = people I=20 know >remarked "I see you found the tech list" and I have been = informed=20 that >fights make up the bulk of the posts.</P> <P>It runs in cycles. If someone was advocating something that = had=20 killed someone you knew and nearly killed you, how passionate would = you=20 be?</P> <P>>They also tell me, if I stick around and can wade through the = fighting=20 I >will learn a lot, so I intend to stick around for a while. As = well=20 <BR>>I hope to soon find time to read through some archives, you = can never=20 >learn too much.</P> <P>I am nowhere near being a tech diver and will probably never dive = trimix or=20 make a dive involving more than one short deco stop, and I have = learned much=20 here. I expect to never be a "DIR" diver, but I can understand = where it=20 comes from and if I was doing caves, deep wreck penetration = or deco=20 diving, I would be much like these people.</P> <P>When quick access to the surface is cut off for any reason much of = personal=20 preference needs to fall by the wayside.</P> <P>>To sum up I wish to quote a poor, bruised, taxi <BR>>driver, = "can't=20 we all just get along?"<BR></P> <P>I think we can, but I don't put myself deep in caves underwater or = up=20 against a major deco ceiling. There are people here who can't = say=20 that.<BR><A=20 href=3D"mailto:ONElist : PSD-events> --Send mail for the `techdiver' = mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'.Send subscribe/unsubscribe = requests to = `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'."></P></BLOCKQUOTE></A></BODY></ HTML> ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01BFA698.A37D4940-- -- Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'.
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