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Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 14:05:16 +0000
To: Todd Baldi <sandiegoaes@ya*.co*>, Kevin Connell <kevin@nw*.co*>
From: Samy Elashmawy <samelash@ix*.ne*.co*>
Subject: Re: Reality was Re: Reality Sucks for the "old timers"
Cc: techdiver@aquanaut.com, cavers@ca*.co*
I havenbeen diving last couple years , still lurk hear .
You are right about the 99.00 cources , they are to suck you in. They make
money on the gear. Not the gear that you need , but the gear that they want
to sell you. 

so fist off they hose you on expensive gear before you know what kind of
diving you want to do. So if you go the OW rout , they stick you with a wet
suit , stab bc and alluminum thanks. 

Now if you actualy dive the NE you and start to get into the wreck crowd ,
it all starts over agien, but now with more expensive gear. Doubles ,
chaterbars or what ever happens to be in style. Just look at the RANGE o
dive gear setups there are hear. Every shpop and dive monkey wants to sell
you some mor stuff thats not what you need. ie look at the whole o2
cleaning buissiness , and dive monlkeys that dont turn the valve all the
wat off. Next morning the tanks are empty. Ot the DM who insist you spend
65.00 every year to O2 clean and degrease you tanks for nitroc and O2 for
your deco ect...

They6 make there mony on what they sell you. I still have three us divers
regs in the closet , Took me four weeks to find some one who would convert
one of them to o2 , ended up shipping it to FL for serive . Mater of fact I
now have all my regs serviced in FL. They work right and I have never had
to take one of them back to the shop. When I serived them hear it cost
twice as much , and 1/2 the time I would have to take them back for
adjustments.

Boyhow the carvern/inbtro anbd aprentice/full cave made such a big
difference.  So much that I compare it as a befor and after thing. The list
comes in handy keeping up with the changes and keeping tabs on the gear and
such. Especialy the KISS methode. 

When my wife took her scuba cousrce , It took a while before I found and
instructer to give the courcse as She needed moor time and attention , not
the 99.00 course stuff. Who wnats to be tought by some one still working on
there DM card ? Not even there Assistan instructer card. 




.. So we drive out the
>people who want to clean their boat bottoms and
>recieve $99 courses, big deal. How much does the
>average tech diver spend on equipment to get set up. I
>would guess $5,000 - $10,000 on total equipment. 
>Paying an extra $100 or $200 is inconsequential for
>better instruction.
>
>TB
>
>--- Kevin Connell <kevin@nw*.co*> wrote:
>> You can't CHANGE the pricing structure, it is the
>> result of a formula 
>> called SUPPLY AND DEMAND.
>> 
>> If you want to try reeducating the consumers so that
>> there is *NO* demand 
>> for poor instruction than so be it.  But don't go
>> around suggesting you can 
>> fix prices.  You can't.   Say hello to economics
>> (also known as human nature)
>> 
>> 
>> At 06:42 AM 4/13/2000 -0700, you wrote:
>> >I agree completely. If the diving industry ever got
>> a
>> >leader and changed tack we could get some quality
>> >instructors out there. That is only if they changed
>> >the pricing structure around and added a lot of
>> >professionalism to it. I knew of a dive shop in
>> >Beverley Hills that was catering to the rich folk
>> up
>> >there. They charge $5,000 for lessons. You could
>> put
>> >as many people as you wanted in it. They had an
>> >Instructor (not assistant, an instructor) for every
>> >student.  They did only boat dives, dove DUI dry
>> >suits, carried the gear, washed it for the people,
>> and
>> >made it as easy as possible.  You know what? They
>> made
>> >so much money that they closed the shop down
>> because
>> >they didn't need the overhead and now just teach
>> >privately to the rich and famous.
>> 
>> 
>> ----------------------------------
>>   Kevin Connell <kevin@nw*.co*>
>> 
>>   NW Labor Systems, Inc
>>   http://www.nwls.com
>> 
>>   Pluralitas non est ponenda sine neccesitate.
>>   (plurality should not be posited without
>>    necessity - Occam's razor)
>> 
>> 
>> ----------------------------------
>> 
>> 
>
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