Alright, don't get me started.    give me ip or give me death.

At 12:58 PM 4/12/2000 -0400, Jim Cobb wrote:
>Hey, I deal with tcp/ip, netbeui/netbios, ipx and I can only dream about the
>beautiful, simple, self-configuring days of AppleTalk, where printing meant
>simply clicking on a icon and there was zero client setup or hassle.
>
>So I will bet that CisLunars are running on netbeui/netbios, the most lame,
>fucked-up "network protocol" ever invented by mankind.
>
>    Jim
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> > From: "Kevin Connell" <kevin@nw*.co*>
> > Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 09:34:33 -0700
> > To: Jim Cobb <cobber@ma*.ci*.co*>, "Sean M.Cary"
> > <smcary@mi*.co*>
> > Cc: Techdiver Mailing List <techdiver@aquanaut.com>
> > Subject: Re: Cave doubles
> >
> > No, stone probably runs his systems using "AppleTalk" and wouldn't know
> > what "topology" meant, anyway
> >
> > hehehehehe
> >
> > At 04:44 PM 4/11/2000 -0400, Jim Cobb wrote:
> >> Oh, no, it's Sean Stone...
> >>
> >> Jim
> >> -------------------------------------------------------------------
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> >>
> >>> From: "Sean M.Cary" <smcary@mi*.co*>
> >>> Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 08:37:11 -0400
> >>> To: "Kevin Connell" <kevin@nw*.co*>
> >>> Cc: "Techdiver Mailing List" <techdiver@aquanaut.com>
> >>> Subject: Re: Cave doubles
> >>>
> >>> A Hybrid Mesh would offer better redundancy then the Star topology,
> >>> especially with 6 tanks  :-)
> >>>
> >>> Sean
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>> From: "Kevin Connell" <kevin@nw*.co*>
> >>> To: "Jeff Disler" <pdisler@io*.ne*>; "Jim Cobb" 
> <cobber@ci*.co*>;
> >>> "Art Greenberg" <artg@ec*.ne*>
> >>> Cc: "Cam Banks" <cam@ca*.co*>; "Techdiver Mailing List"
> >>> <techdiver@aquanaut.com>
> >>> Sent: Monday, April 10, 2000 10:03 PM
> >>> Subject: Re: Cave doubles
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> Jim - this is getting pretty funny.  I own a set of 46's and I certainly
> >>>> don't have any desire to band them together because I am too much of a
> >>>> pussy to carry 104's or I think they are a better solution than a single
> >>> 80.
> >>>>
> >>>> Better than "cave doubles", how about "The Greenberg Solution"
> >>>>
> >>>> Actually, what I'm planning on doing is duct-taping 6 AL13's 
> together in a
> >>>> "star" configuration for full redundancy for reef diving in the tropics.
> >>>>
> >>>> At 04:07 PM 4/10/2000 -0400, Jim Cobb wrote:
> >>>>> Jeff-
> >>>>>
> >>>>> As I told Maggie and Art, if you have the money go ahead and get 
> "OMS 46
> >>>>> doubles", I just think that your money is better spent on a set of 95's
> >>> or
> >>>>> 104's which would wind up costing about the same and offer much more
> >>>>> utility.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Every time I get passionate arguments for gear like this, I tend to
> >>> suspect
> >>>>> it's because A) they actually own the piece of sh, er, equipment in
> >>> question
> >>>>> and don't want to look like a knucklehead on the next dive trip, or B)
> >>> they
> >>>>> are about to unload the piece of sh, er, equipment in question on the
> >>>>> unsuspecting masses and don't want me to ruin the market.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> In this case the bottom has fallen out of the OMS steel 46 stage market
> >>> due
> >>>>> to their close proximity to several dead divers over the years and 
> dozens
> >>> of
> >>>>> techies and marketers are desperately trying to come up with ways 
> to get
> >>> rid
> >>>>> of these ridiculously expensive crappy POS. And the poor suckers 
> thought
> >>>>> they found salvation in the new "OMS 46 doubles" market.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> PULL! BANG! Dusted that sucker!
> >>>>>
> >>>>> But, Jeff, I will give you that if you are belly-crawling through caves
> >>> and
> >>>>> need a low-profile air source, then "OMS 46 Doubles" are ideal for that
> >>>>> particular, narrow, targeted, unique, singular situation... Let's call
> >>> them
> >>>>> "cave doubles."
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Best Regards-
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Jim
> >>>>>
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> >>>>>
> >>>>>> From: Jeff Disler <pdisler@io*.ne*>
> >>>>>> Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 13:55:34 -0500
> >>>>>> To: Jim Cobb <cobber@ci*.co*>, Art Greenberg
> >>>>> <artg@ec*.ne*>, Jim
> >>>>>> Cobb <cobber@ma*.ci*.co*>
> >>>>>> Cc: Cam Banks <cam@ca*.co*>, Techdiver Mailing List
> >>>>>> <techdiver@aquanaut.com>
> >>>>>> Subject: Re: Dual OMS 45's
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> C'mon Jim,
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Don't close your mind to the possibility that small doubles, (OMS
> >>> 46's)
> >>>>>> might be a better set up than a single eighty for simple dives.
> >>> Probably
> >>>>>> most (on this list anyway) are already using the same backplate and
> >>> wings
> >>>>>> they use for their large doubles, to dive an Al 80 with an single tank
> >>>>>> adaptor. So for those who already have these tanks ( I already use
> >>> them for
> >>>>>> sump diving because, IMO, they are the best small tank for sump
> >>> diving) why
> >>>>>> not just them for as small doubles as well. They really don't weigh
> >>> anymore
> >>>>>> than an solo 80, except for the additional first stage. They don't go
> >>> way
> >>>>>> positive when near empty. They are easy to swim up from depth without
> >>> the
> >>>>>> aid of inflation. They fit closer to the back than an aluminim 80. I
> >>> don't
> >>>>>> think they have as much drag, certainly not any more than an alum 80.
> >>> These
> >>>>>> are just a few things about the tanks I like.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Things that I think we should all like, at least tolerate, or could
> >>> just
> >>>>>> get use to about the 46 doubles:
> >>>>>> Hell you're covered if you blow a neck O-ring, if a reg fails (first
> >>> or
> >>>>>> second), if your buddy needs a bit more gas when his system goes boom
> >>>>>> catastrophically or just plain ol' fails , and You simply have more
> >>> gas,
> >>>>>> which, too much of never hurts.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I agree, probably most people don't need to go out and spend the bucks
> >>> on
> >>>>>> dual 46's. But I'll bet if you actually dived my dual 46's you'd
> >>> prefer
> >>>>>> them over a single eighty. If you did not like them better, I'd be
> >>> suprised
> >>>>>> and would like to hear the reasons why.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I believe in using the right gear for the task at hand as well. If I
> >>> need
> >>>>>> my big doubles for the dive I'm doing, I use them. If I need side
> >>> mounted
> >>>>>> 95's for a sump dive, I use them. What ever it takes for the dive,
> >>> thats
> >>>>>> what I'll choose. I'm certain the few rec dives I do could be done
> >>> with an
> >>>>>> alum 80, but I choose to have the redundancy for all my dives. Is that
> >>> so
> >>>>>> wrong? <g>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Regards
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> By they way, I've heard a lot of folks don't like these tanks because
> >>> they
> >>>>>> are to heavy. Anyone who does not like their oms 46 and wants to sell,
> >>> for
> >>>>>> a low price, let me know how much.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> "SILT HAPPENS"JD   JEFF DISLER
> >>>>>> SAFE CAVING       NSS 26000
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
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> >>>>
> >>>> NW Labor Systems, Inc
> >>>> http://www.nwls.com
> >>>>
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> >>>> (plurality should not be posited without
> >>>> necessity - Occam's razor)
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> >
> > NW Labor Systems, Inc
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> >
> > Pluralitas non est ponenda sine neccesitate.
> > (plurality should not be posited without
> > necessity - Occam's razor)
> >
> >
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> >


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  Kevin Connell <kevin@nw*.co*>

  NW Labor Systems, Inc
  http://www.nwls.com

  Pluralitas non est ponenda sine neccesitate.
  (plurality should not be posited without
   necessity - Occam's razor)


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