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Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 22:14:38 -0400
Subject: Re: Cave doubles
From: Jim Cobb <cobber@ci*.co*>
To: Kevin Connell <kevin@nw*.co*>, Jeff Disler <pdisler@io*.ne*>,
     Art Greenberg
CC: Cam Banks <cam@ca*.co*>,
     Techdiver Mailing List
Heheheheh! The "Greenburg Solution", careful now, Kevin, I can tell Art's a
little touchy on this topic. He must have garage full of 46's.

I like the 6 13's idea, you could put HP hoses between them and wear them
around your gut on a belt. You would look like the "mad bomber" or something
out of a old James Bond film. Hey, they've officially released the doubles
spare air in a nitrox version, maybe you can daisy-chain a few of those
together...

   Jim
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> From: "Kevin Connell" <kevin@nw*.co*>
> Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 19:03:45 -0700
> To: Jeff Disler <pdisler@io*.ne*>, Jim Cobb <cobber@ci*.co*>, Art
> Greenberg <artg@ec*.ne*>
> Cc: Cam Banks <cam@ca*.co*>, Techdiver Mailing List
> <techdiver@aquanaut.com>
> Subject: Re: Cave doubles
> 
> Jim - this is getting pretty funny.  I own a set of 46's and I certainly
> don't have any desire to band them together because I am too much of a
> pussy to carry 104's or I think they are a better solution than a single 80.
> 
> Better than "cave doubles", how about "The Greenberg Solution"
> 
> Actually, what I'm planning on doing is duct-taping 6 AL13's together in a
> "star" configuration for full redundancy for reef diving in the tropics.
> 
> At 04:07 PM 4/10/2000 -0400, Jim Cobb wrote:
>> Jeff-
>> 
>> As I told Maggie and Art, if you have the money go ahead and get "OMS 46
>> doubles", I just think that your money is better spent on a set of 95's or
>> 104's which would wind up costing about the same and offer much more
>> utility.
>> 
>> Every time I get passionate arguments for gear like this, I tend to suspect
>> it's because A) they actually own the piece of sh, er, equipment in question
>> and don't want to look like a knucklehead on the next dive trip, or B) they
>> are about to unload the piece of sh, er, equipment in question on the
>> unsuspecting masses and don't want me to ruin the market.
>> 
>> In this case the bottom has fallen out of the OMS steel 46 stage market due
>> to their close proximity to several dead divers over the years and dozens of
>> techies and marketers are desperately trying to come up with ways to get rid
>> of these ridiculously expensive crappy POS. And the poor suckers thought
>> they found salvation in the new "OMS 46 doubles" market.
>> 
>> PULL! BANG! Dusted that sucker!
>> 
>> But, Jeff, I will give you that if you are belly-crawling through caves and
>> need a low-profile air source, then "OMS 46 Doubles" are ideal for that
>> particular, narrow, targeted, unique, singular situation... Let's call them
>> "cave doubles."
>> 
>> Best Regards-
>> 
>> Jim
>> 
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>>> From: Jeff Disler <pdisler@io*.ne*>
>>> Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 13:55:34 -0500
>>> To: Jim Cobb <cobber@ci*.co*>, Art Greenberg
>> <artg@ec*.ne*>, Jim
>>> Cobb <cobber@ma*.ci*.co*>
>>> Cc: Cam Banks <cam@ca*.co*>, Techdiver Mailing List
>>> <techdiver@aquanaut.com>
>>> Subject: Re: Dual OMS 45's
>>> 
>>> C'mon Jim,
>>> 
>>> Don't close your mind to the possibility that small doubles, (OMS 46's)
>>> might be a better set up than a single eighty for simple dives. Probably
>>> most (on this list anyway) are already using the same backplate and wings
>>> they use for their large doubles, to dive an Al 80 with an single tank
>>> adaptor. So for those who already have these tanks ( I already use them for
>>> sump diving because, IMO, they are the best small tank for sump diving) why
>>> not just them for as small doubles as well. They really don't weigh anymore
>>> than an solo 80, except for the additional first stage. They don't go way
>>> positive when near empty. They are easy to swim up from depth without the
>>> aid of inflation. They fit closer to the back than an aluminim 80. I don't
>>> think they have as much drag, certainly not any more than an alum 80. These
>>> are just a few things about the tanks I like.
>>> 
>>> Things that I think we should all like, at least tolerate, or could just
>>> get use to about the 46 doubles:
>>> Hell you're covered if you blow a neck O-ring, if a reg fails (first or
>>> second), if your buddy needs a bit more gas when his system goes boom
>>> catastrophically or just plain ol' fails , and You simply have more gas,
>>> which, too much of never hurts.
>>> 
>>> I agree, probably most people don't need to go out and spend the bucks on
>>> dual 46's. But I'll bet if you actually dived my dual 46's you'd prefer
>>> them over a single eighty. If you did not like them better, I'd be suprised
>>> and would like to hear the reasons why.
>>> 
>>> I believe in using the right gear for the task at hand as well. If I need
>>> my big doubles for the dive I'm doing, I use them. If I need side mounted
>>> 95's for a sump dive, I use them. What ever it takes for the dive, thats
>>> what I'll choose. I'm certain the few rec dives I do could be done with an
>>> alum 80, but I choose to have the redundancy for all my dives. Is that so
>>> wrong? <g>
>>> 
>>> Regards
>>> 
>>> By they way, I've heard a lot of folks don't like these tanks because they
>>> are to heavy. Anyone who does not like their oms 46 and wants to sell, for
>>> a low price, let me know how much.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> "SILT HAPPENS"JD   JEFF DISLER
>>> SAFE CAVING       NSS 26000
>>> 
>> 
>> 
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> 
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> Kevin Connell <kevin@nw*.co*>
> 
> NW Labor Systems, Inc
> http://www.nwls.com
> 
> Pluralitas non est ponenda sine neccesitate.
> (plurality should not be posited without
> necessity - Occam's razor)
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