Jim,
I'd buy his plane ticket ( one way...all he would need ) if he'd be willing
to go three rounds at Sheppard's Gym :-)

Regards,
Dan


-----Original Message-----
From: Jim Cobb [mailto:cobber@ci*.co*]
Sent: Saturday, April 01, 2000 3:49 PM
To: Dan L. Volker; 'Michael J. Black'; techdiver@aquanaut.com
Subject: Re: Myths & Realities


Hey, Dan, if Black ever got a look at the size of your legs, I think he
would know who would win in a ass-kicking contest...

   Jim
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> From: "Dan L. Volker" <dan@sf*.co*>
> Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2000 17:13:55 -0500
> To: "'Michael J. Black'" <mjblackmd@ya*.co*>, <techdiver@aquanaut.com>
> Subject: RE: Myths & Realities
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Below is the response he got from me on rec.scuba:
>
>
>
> Mikey,
> I wish you would not waste our  time with malicious attempts like this,
but
> .......
>
> <mjblackmd@my*.co*> wrote in message
news:8br010$inj$1@nn*.de*.co*...
>> Myth 1:  DIR has had no fatalities or accidents.  Reality:  Bobby
>> McGuirre, a WKPP/DIR diver, died while diving DIR in a cave, and
>> represents at least one accident DIR cannot deny.
>
> We have ALWAYS said that there have been zero deaths "since" George
> implemented DIR about 6 years ago. McGuire's death was one of many cave
> deaths which led to George mandating DIR for the WKPP.  If there had not
> been deaths prior to it, why would WKPP have made a big deal about DIR?
>
>
>>
>> Myth 2:  DIR is useful for cave diving, but can be applied to ALL
>> forms of diving.  Reality:  Very few people use DIR outside of cave
>> diving, because the system is inflexible and impractical.  In fact
>> DIR teaches using NO COMPUTER, only a bottom timer, hardly a practical
>> recommendation nowadays.
>
>
> DIR is used all over the world today, and is expanding rapidly.
Recreational
> divers are finding it far superior, and much more enjoyable than
traditional
> systems.  DIR  for tek and cave means no computer. If a recreational diver
> wants to use a wrist mounted computer, this is not a "DIR" violation for
> recreational diving.  Since a recreational diver "becomes" DIR gradually,
> many may begin their DIR journey with a wrist computer, and eventually
learn
> the tables well enough to no longer require one.
>
>
>>
>> Myth 3:  DIR uses safe procedures, both in and out of the water.
>> Reality:  DIR uses procedures that do not comply with guidelines
>> established by NOAA and the U.S. Navy, including flying only three
>> hours after a deep deco dive, in-water recompression for decompression
>> accidents, diving well beyond recreational limits and simultaneously
>> striving to shorten decompression times, exercising heavily shortly
>> after diving, plus others which are hardly safe.
>
> NOAA guidelines are for "average" divers, not highly fit divers, and the
> protocols do not use the latest and best reality based modeling, for a
> highly fit sub group.
>
> We don't suggest exercising heavily shorly after diving.  If a team member
> felt a mild case of DCS coming on as he was about to leave the water, he
> would be less likely to suffer significant cellular level damage if  he
was
> recompressed IMMEDIATELY. This is a call WKPP divers "can" make.  Ignoring
> this option can lead to drastic worsening of symptoms, serious damage as
> tissue starved by DCS impaired circulation begins to die from lack of
> oxygen. Clearly, IWR can not be done if the individual is suffering from
DCS
> so severe that skills and movement are impaired, and the chance of
> unconsciousness exists.  A diver who would atempt  IWR would be
accompanied
> by a DIR buddy, and could always be returned to the surface if needed.
> This, as an element of recreational DIR, is completely irrelevant, since
the
> only discussions of IWR have been regarding major cave penetrations or
huge
> technical dives, well beyond the scope of recreational diving.
>
>
>>
>> Myth 4:  DIR is practiced by the BEST divers in the world.  Reality:
>> The BEST divers in the world are too busy diving and conducting
>> research to be sitting around posting to Techdiver, Rec.scuba, the
>> GUE list, Rodale's, or any other newsgroup in cyberspace.  The BEST
>> divers in the world, with few exceptions, are conspicuously absent
>> from these lists.
>
> Mikey,
> JJ, and George both spend  considerable time online, helping to explain
DIR.
> If they are not the best, they are certainly in the top 20 ( my vote has
> them as among the top 5 )
>
>
>>
>> Myth 5:  DIR is a new movement in Scuba that will grow and someday
>> surpass other systems.  Reality:  Tech diving will continue to grow,
>> but the training agencies that will attract the most students are
>> the ones with time-honored teaching skills, including respect, patience,
>> and avoidance of name-calling such as DIR's infamous "stoke."
>
> Reality....the dive consumer is smarter than MJB gives them credit for,
and
> they will make their own decisions to dive in the directions DIR
> suggest....maybe not completely DIR, but enough to make major changes from
> what the last 10 years of traditional diving has brought them.
>
>
>>
>> Myth 6:  DIR is a system based on experience and proven facts.  Reality:
>> Although many DIR divers have experience in technical diving, there
>> are many among them who extrapolate facts to the point of distortion,
>> confusion, and lack of truth.  The message soon becomes lost in all the
>> noise.
>
> This remark resembles MJB more than anyone else on this list----but
luckily,
> he does not claim to be DIR :-)
>
>
>>
>> Myth 7:  DIR is a system for everybody.  Reality:  Personal preference
>> is the system for everybody.  You have the right to choose DIR or the
>> right to choose another system, or to incorporate useful parts of any
>> system that suits your needs.  No single system will ever be the panacea
>> for everybody.
>>
>> MJB
>>
>
> "MJB and Personal Preference"...what a team!!!
>
>>
>
>
> --
> Regards,
> Dan Volker
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>
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