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Don, That was my point - these "shoes" comments implied that people should be allowed to do whatever they wish in dangerous environments with the wrong equipment and then not expect to take any flak - that is garbage. Whilst sometimes I think George and his crew go far too far flaming people - the underlying message is good. Nothing is more wasteful than deaths in diving (or climbing) due to inadequate training and inappropriate equipment Regards Mark ----- Original Message ----- From: Mcinnis, Don <Don.Mcinnis@in*.co*> To: 'Mark Dixon' <jj@da*.co*>; <stuart.morrison@sw*.co*.uk*>; <cmilz@Mi*.ED*> Cc: <techdiver@aquanaut.com> Sent: Wednesday, March 29, 2000 5:35 PM Subject: RE: shoes > Mark, > > This isn't garbage. In fact it was effective in its presentation since you > did get the message. It is a simple message and it is the problem with the > industry. And the problem isn't just limited to diving either. To repeat it, > it is: > > "Too many divers and climbers have died because they were in the wrong place > with the wrong equipment..." > > The accidents aren't funny. However, MOST are avoidable. That is the point > and this message needs to be delivered in whatever means necessary for > changing the status quo. Even "accidents" like Parker Turner's can be > attributed to less than optimal gear and little mistakes in attitude and > execution. Either you are a messenger or you are a part of the problem. > Which one are you? > > Don > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Mark Dixon [mailto:jj@da*.co*] > Sent: Tuesday, March 28, 2000 8:36 AM > To: stuart.morrison@sw*.co*.uk*; cmilz@Mi*.ED* > Cc: techdiver@aquanaut.com > Subject: Re: shoes > > > What is this garbage? > > I really think you people should listen to the message before providing such > idiotic e-mails. > > Too many divers and climbers have died because they were in the wrong place > with the wrong equipment for your little bits of prose to be funny at all. > > With all due respect > > Mark > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <stuart.morrison@sw*.co*.uk*> > To: <cmilz@Mi*.ED*>; <techdiver@aquanaut.com> > Cc: <Michael.Waldbrenner@wa*.de*> > Sent: Friday, March 24, 2000 11:15 AM > Subject: RE: shoes > > > To take it a stage further, loads of weekend warriors who hang around the > edge of the woods and have never been out of sight of the car park start > shouting "shoe" at the park rangers who have spent the last ten years in > the darkest recesses of the woods. > > They shout "shoe" at climbers using double rope instead of single -- you > could get tangled in double ropes -- even though they have never been > near a rock face. "Shoe" for anyone caught using a figure-8 instead of a > Stop -- you cannot trust an experienced climber to use a figure-8 > properly. "Shoe" for building a camp fire instead of having three people > carrying a gas barbecue because they have no idea how to look after a > fire themselves. "Shoe" for anyone going over 10000ft without oxygen. > "Shoe" for anyone going over 10000ft with oxygen, as long as it isn't > them (because let's face it -- it will never be them). "Shoe" for anyone > who goes out in ice, because they themselves cannot go out because they > bought really simple boots which cannot take crampons. > > Later, > > S > > -----Original Message----- > From: cmilz@Mi*.ED* > Sent: Friday, March 24, 2000 4:45 AM > To: jrwaugh@te*.co*; scubait@ix*.ne*.co*; omnidive@om*.co*; > Don.Hoover@ds*.co*; Stuart Morrison; divebimbo@li*.co*.uk* > Cc: Michael.Waldbrenner@wa* > Subject: shoes > > << File: ENVELOPE.TXT >> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- - > -- > If you have ever wanted to know how sick I am, here you go... > > A while ago I looked at my backpack (it has at least 10 straps) and > thought: one or two straps would be more than enough! > > Just think about a really accomplished hiker from TN (who hikes > really deep into the woods). He, for good reasons, forces every > walker, jogger and hiker verbally to use backpacks with exactly two > straps since that makes sense when hiking in Tennessee, and because > people got killed when using backpacks with 5 straps. Otherwise this > nice man calls you "shoe". Don't hike with shoes, don't talk to > shoes. > > I think I should get back to finish my lecture for tomorrow. Have a > great day. > > Claudia > > > __________________________________________________________________________ > ____ > __ > This message has been checked for all known viruses by the Star Screening > System > http://www.star.net.uk/stats.asp > > > > > > Visit our web site at www.scott-wilson.com > > Privilege and Confidentiality Notice. > This e-mail and any attachments to it are intended only for the party > to whom they are addressed. They may contain privileged and/or > confidential information. 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