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From: "Mcinnis, Don" <Don.Mcinnis@in*.co*>
To: "'Mark Dixon'" <jj@da*.co*>, stuart.morrison@sw*.co*.uk*,
     cmilz@Mi*.ED*
Cc: techdiver@aquanaut.com
Subject: RE: shoes
Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2000 10:35:51 -0600
Mark,

This isn't garbage. In fact it was effective in its presentation since you
did get the message. It is a simple message and it is the problem with the
industry. And the problem isn't just limited to diving either. To repeat it,
it is:

"Too many divers and climbers have died because they were in the wrong place
with the wrong equipment..."

The accidents aren't funny. However, MOST are avoidable. That is the point
and this message needs to be delivered in whatever means necessary for
changing the status quo. Even "accidents" like Parker Turner's can be
attributed to less than optimal gear and little mistakes in attitude and
execution. Either you are a messenger or you are a part of the problem.
Which one are you?

	Don


-----Original Message-----
From: Mark Dixon [mailto:jj@da*.co*]
Sent: Tuesday, March 28, 2000 8:36 AM
To: stuart.morrison@sw*.co*.uk*; cmilz@Mi*.ED*
Cc: techdiver@aquanaut.com
Subject: Re: shoes


What is this garbage?

I really think you people should listen to the message before providing such
idiotic e-mails.

Too many divers and climbers have died because they were in the wrong place
with the wrong equipment for your little bits of prose to be funny at all.

With all due respect

Mark



----- Original Message -----
From: <stuart.morrison@sw*.co*.uk*>
To: <cmilz@Mi*.ED*>; <techdiver@aquanaut.com>
Cc: <Michael.Waldbrenner@wa*.de*>
Sent: Friday, March 24, 2000 11:15 AM
Subject: RE: shoes


To take it a stage further, loads of weekend warriors who hang around the
edge of the woods and have never been out of sight of the car park start
shouting "shoe" at the park rangers who have spent the last ten years in
the darkest recesses of the woods.

They shout "shoe" at climbers using double rope instead of single -- you
could get tangled in double ropes -- even though they have never been
near a rock face. "Shoe" for anyone caught using a figure-8 instead of a
Stop -- you cannot trust an experienced climber to use a figure-8
properly. "Shoe" for building a camp fire instead of having three people
carrying a gas barbecue because they have no idea how to look after a
fire themselves. "Shoe" for anyone going over 10000ft without oxygen.
"Shoe" for anyone going over 10000ft with oxygen, as long as it isn't
them (because let's face it -- it will never be them). "Shoe" for anyone
who goes out in ice, because they themselves cannot go out because they
bought really simple boots which cannot take crampons.

Later,

S

 -----Original Message-----
From: cmilz@Mi*.ED*
Sent: Friday, March 24, 2000 4:45 AM
To: jrwaugh@te*.co*; scubait@ix*.ne*.co*; omnidive@om*.co*;
Don.Hoover@ds*.co*; Stuart Morrison; divebimbo@li*.co*.uk*
Cc: Michael.Waldbrenner@wa*
Subject: shoes

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If you have ever wanted to know how sick I am, here you go...

A while ago I looked at my backpack (it has at least 10 straps) and
thought: one or two straps would be more than enough!

Just think about a really accomplished hiker from TN (who hikes
really deep into the woods). He, for good reasons, forces every
walker, jogger and hiker verbally to use backpacks with exactly two
straps since that makes sense when hiking in Tennessee, and because
people got killed when using backpacks with 5 straps. Otherwise this
nice man calls you "shoe". Don't hike with shoes, don't talk to
shoes.

I think I should get back to finish my lecture for tomorrow. Have a
great day.

Claudia


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