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Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2000 19:31:57 -0500
To: Michael Maibaum <mike@ma*.or*>, techdiver@aquanaut.com
From: Capt JT <captjt@mi*.co*>
Subject: Re: Diver death in Laguna beach, CA.
Hi again Michael
As I answer your statements below we must both remember that when dealing 
with reporters, they will leave or add things that they THINK tells the 
story. Most of them do not dive or know nothing of diving so they fail to 
ask the right questions or understand what they have been told. scroll down

At 10:23 PM 3/24/00 +0000, you wrote:
> >Hi Michael
> >I do think you should reconsider your statement. I have read the story a
> >couple of times and based on the 3 bystanders it says that he had GONE BACK
> >in to the water, meaning he chose to start a new dive SOLO. The buddy did
> >not fail him or leave him. The dead diver chose to go back in the water
> >over a piece of gear (light).
>
>well if you are right then I apologise to the buddy but the wasn't the way
>it read to me
>
>         "Bleijenberg followed Roth to the beach.
>
>OK, he followed him to the beach but...
>
>         "After five minutes, he saw
>        a light on the beach moving back and forth

This does not mean he did not follow him to the beach, he may have followed 
him to the beach then turned around after a short (5min) surface swim to 
look behind him as most do.

>, like someone was
>        looking for something. Three bystanders on the beach told him
>        they were looking for a diver who had gone back into the water to
>        look for a light he'd lost"
>
>He still left the guy, presumably on his own (who were the bystanders?)
>and

Think about it, how did the bystanders know he went to look for a 
light?Because he came up on the beach and went back in after telling them!


>        "It's unclear whether Roth made it onto the beach or whether he
>        stayed in the water to shout ashore before going back out to sea."

Unclear from the reporter who was not there and did not ask the right 
people the right questions.


>If his buddy had done his job he MUST have known if the guy had got out, in
>this sort of situation he should have been looking after his buddy, but he
>must have left when they were in the shallows and gone off on his own,
>although how 5 minutes later he saw the light I don't know.

I gave a possible answer above, unless someone had a stop watch, the 5 mins 
is a guess.


>        "After about 10 minutes of walking on the shore, Bleijenberg
>        climbed the rocks and spotted Roth floating face-down about 50
>        yards off the beach near the south side of the cove. When he
>        reached him, Roth was unresponsive, with his buoyancy
>        compensator partially inflated and the rest of his equipment
>        intact."
>
>Then the guy was found dead, now my idea of a good buddy is one when you
>feel sufficiently bad to seriously affect the dive and abandon it during
>the dive is one that hangs around for a while to make sure you are ok, not
>jumps straight back in.

If he followed him to the shore he done what he is suppose to do, the dead 
diver then made an error and it cost him his life ( how much does the light 
now cost) Ever seen a diver die? If you have not you don't know what your 
talking about, been there seen it, felt real bad about it, I had nothing to 
do with it and I still felt bad.


> >
> >This is the same way that Rob Wolvo killed himself by going back to look
> >for a lost mask with 750 psi in his tank, then ran OOA and drowned. NO
> >PIECE OF  GEAR IS WORTH RISKING YOUR LIFE OVER, nor is fish, lobsters, and
> >artifacts! As in most deaths, if you look at the facts it is usely the dead
> >divers own fault. Notice I said MOST!
>
>I agree wholeheartedly with this, we've had a couple of people killied in
>the uk in a similar way, just going to get something they dropped with very
>little air/tank turned off etc and ending up dead, there fault and it
>shouldn't happen.
>
>BUT
>
>if the buddy had stayed with him, he either wouldn't have let him enter the
>water or would have been with him when whatever happened happened.  This
>guy had been showing signs of having a problem and shouldn't have been left
>alone.

and if the dead diver would have wrecked his car on the way home I guess 
that would have been the buddies fault too.


>
>
>
>Mike
>
>Michael Maibaum                 mike@ma*.or*
>020 8 743 3668 (H)              020 8 383 2390 (W)
>07803 070761   (M)


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