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I had a look at the Typhoon electrical undersuit at the Stockholm seminar and it looked really good. The only thing that bothered me was the computer bullshit that seems to be an extra failure point. Can it be ordered with out the computer interface? I don't like neo suits. I think they are to bulky and they compress at depth. I owned one for years but switched to a tri-lam years ago. Once you go tri-lam you never go back .-) Check out the DUI CLX 450, it's really neat (btw that was the suit i was referring to when i said TLS-450) When are you going to the Barents Sea for that project of yours? Sounds really interesting, Russia is not exactly the average dive destination. I have herd they got mutated crabs up there that are huge (mutated from radioactivity) -----Ursprungligt meddelande----- Från: Mario M. Weidner [mailto:MM.Weidner@t-*.de*] Skickat: den 18 mars 2000 13:23 Till: techdiver@aquanaut.com Ämne: Re: SV: Neoprene/coldwater-diving Hi Ingemar, what you said in your last email, makes sense to me! Looks like lot of people don't know what coldwater-diving is like. Anyway, one should not overvalue the advantage of Argon along with a Trilaminate drysuit. For me personal, while diving almost strictly in cold water environments (temperature around 34-50°F), the combination of a 9mm compressed neopren dry-suit plus a electrical heated undersuit along with several layers of thinsulate underwear, plus dry gloves is the first choice. The use of Argon only makes sense, if you completely flood your suit before your dive, to ensure, that absolutely no air is left in the suit. You do flooding, when you inflate your suit with Argon 1-2 times and deflate again, so the much denser gas Argon has pushed out the air inside of your suit. With this outfit, I had no problem, diving under the pack-ice of the North-Polar circle, going down for 350ft with dive-time of 100+ minutes. Besides that, I do dives almost every weekend in cold-water lakes (approx. 40°F) and do dives in the 450-550ft range with dive-times of 80-140 minutes without having any thermo-problems. The Typhoon XCM-heated undersuit along with Argon suit inflation works great than. Mario Ingemar Lundgren schrieb: > The TLS works fine for cold water. I use it and have never had a problem > with it. I have done dives in north Sweden with it where you go with a snow > mobile for a mile on the ice and then cut a hole in the 1m thick ice. The > temperature is about -30 Celsius and the biggest problem you have is when > you spit in the mask it instantly freezes. The TLS is great because (as > some body else also pointed out)the ice just peels off. The Cf 200 gets > stiff like a statue when it freezes on surface. In ice diving you also have > to have several layers of undergarment and that makes you very bulky so a > non restrictive suit like the TLS helps. > The drawback with the TLS is it's durability. I have had a suit flood with > it back in a cave (5c cold water) and that sucked. The c-4 saved my life.. > DUI has a new suit that looks really promising, the TLS 450 if i remember > correctly. It's thicker than the TLS 350 but still seems pretty non > restrictive. That's going to be my next suit. > > As for undergarments use several layers and avoid cotton. Fleece works well > as well as wool. You need to have a layer close to your skin that is good > at transporting sweat away. As main undergarment i use the DUI G-400. > Argon is a must. > > > > -----Ursprungligt meddelande----- > Från: Trey [mailto:trey@ne*.co*] > Skickat: den 17 mars 2000 02:33 > Till: MHK > Kopia: aquanaut; quest@gu*.co* > Ämne: Re: Neoprene? > > > When I dove with you guys out there I added weight and blew the suit up > more ( after the fist dive ), and that worked well, but you will have to > ask the Swedish Brothers or Bott or somebody about real cold water. I'll > try Seattle next and see how that goes. > > MHK wrote: > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Trey <trey@ne*.co*> > > > > > They do not have the buoyancy problems, but they are cumbersome and > > > heavy, and they do not hold together like you would think they should. > > > They are salso restrictive. > > > > George, > > > > We all know what a cold water weenie you are :-) but I'm curious since in > > the rare occasions that I dive dry, I use the the DUI CF-200, I agree with > > you about the lack of buoyancy problems, but I'm curious about your > > experiences with the tri lam in seriously cold water. I'm talking Great > > Lake area and the like. > > > > Is argon and C4's enough??? > > > > I've been using my CF-200 for years and haven't had any real problems with > > it, but you are right it is a bit restricitive. > > > > Later > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: quest-unsubscribe@gu*.co* > > For additional commands, e-mail: quest-help@gu*.co* > > -- > Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. > Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'. > > -- > Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. > Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'. -- Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'. -- Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. 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