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Ben, The bashing is because it's about ATTITUDE. This is the first thing that is needed to make you a good diver. And this is what is lacking in the heads of the mainstream agencies. Saying that 100 dives is enough to make you an instructor or that poodle jackets are safe or any of that other bullshit that is taught is the perfect examples of the wrong attitude. And this perpetuates itself because these are the ones that are mass producing strokes. Don -----Original Message----- From: ben [mailto:ben@wi*.co*] Sent: Monday, March 20, 2000 11:17 AM To: techdiver@aquanaut.com; quest@gu*.co*; Don.Mcinnis@in*.co*; Siriusnav@ao*.co*; Joe.West@fu*.co* Subject: RE: Is there a thing like inofficial training? Don, # of dives... this is even greater bullshit... You guys are constantly bashing people with thousands of dives - the leaders of IANTD, TDI and everything else. It's either DIR or bullshit from what I've seen on this list. It's obvious that the number of dives doesn't really matter. 2000 dives looking for lobster in 30 feet of water with gear that gives George nightmares is going to improve what? You're either ready to teach or you aren't... you're not going to find some stupid formula to figure this out. There's never going to be an agency that nails it every time. Wait until GUE turns out enough instructors to teach everyone on the planet that wants to learn to dive (because that's really what you guys are bitching about)... you'll get some really bad apples at that point. What are the requirements for teaching for GUE? I'll bet it's not simply logging a bunch of dives. -ben --- "Mcinnis, Don" <Don.Mcinnis@in*.co*> wrote: > Does this really matter? 60 dives or 100 dives is > still WAY TOO LITTLE to be > turning out certified divers. At 100 dives do you > think you knew enough to > be teaching others? This is the heart of the problem > with the agencies. To > mass produce "certified divers" they SELL Instructor > certs to almost > anybody. This perpetuates itself to where we are > today. And that is also the > first thing that needs to change. > > Don > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Siriusnav@ao*.co* [mailto:Siriusnav@ao*.co*] > Sent: Friday, March 17, 2000 8:49 AM > To: Joe.West@fu*.co* > Cc: techdiver@aquanaut.com > Subject: Re: Is there a thing like inofficial > training? > > > In a message dated 3/17/00 4:43:32 AM SA Western > Standard Time, > Joe.West@Fu*.co* writes: > > > 4. Have been a certified diver for at least six > months and have completed > > and logged at least 60 dives (as documented in > the individual's log > book.) > > Note: To attend an Instructor Examination (IE), > the instructor candidate > > must have been a > > certified diver for at least 12 months and have > at least 100 logged dives > > (exceptions may include > > PADI 5 Star Career Development Center > candidates.) > > > This changed in January Joe. The new standards > according to the training > bulletin that they put out read: > > 4. Have been a certified diver for at least six > months and logged at least > 60 > open water dives with experience in night, deep and > navigation prior to > beginning the Instructor Development Program, and > have been a certified > diver > for at least 6 months and logged at least 100 dives > prior to entering the > Instructor Examination. > -- > Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to > `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. > Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to > `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'. > -- > Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to > `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. > Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to > `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'. > -- Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'.
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