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Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 11:26:12 -0500
From: trey@ne*.co* (Trey)
To: "Raymond G. Blaker" <frogman@wo*.nl*>
CC: Simon Murray <simonm@ho*.co*.za*>,
     Tech Diver , Lovan
Subject: Re: Helium penetrates neoprene ???
If you are asking me, then you will have to excuse me for laughing - the
hose diameter at the IP is insignificant . The diameter to flow fromulas
are for one ATA, not consntlhy prssuized hoses fed by a reductiuon
regulator. The 1/2 inch hose is a boat monkey dive industry bullshit
story to sell to the uninitiated neophyt.

It might sound real good and logical to the Force Fin mentiality of the
dive insduetry and appeal to the savants who teadh diving, but the fact
is you can start jet engine through a 3/8 hose, and the fucking fittings
are smaller anyway, as is the orifice in the reg and on the tank. Give
me a break. 

Odd size hoses are a screw job to all of us, and have nothing to do with
breathing.

Adding "lead rings" - come on, this is just too much. Anytime you have
to do something like this, something is wrong.

Raymond G. Blaker wrote:
> 
> OK, I use an APEKS TX 100 as my primary reg, this uses a 1/2" hose but
> breathes like a dream (It's also a diaphram system), why should I go back to
> something like Scubapro with it's 3/8"hose. The only problem I have is that
> the 1/2" hose tends to float up, but a couple of little lead rings soon stop
> this. Comments please
> 
> Regards
> 
> Ray Blaker
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Trey <trey@ne*.co*>
> To: Simon Murray <simonm@ho*.co*.za*>
> Cc: Tech Diver <techdiver@aquanaut.com>; Lovan <LovanC@Tr*.co*.za*>
> Date: 15 March 2000 20:18
> Subject: Re: Helium penetrates neoprene ???
> 
> >Simon, could you get this stroke to subscribe to techdiver - we have not
> >had anyone to fry in weeks.
> >
> >The best chance for neopreme to hold to any degree at all is the
> >commercial grade G231 stuff that has nitrogen bubbles in it
> >intentionally  in the manufacturing process. This mateial will compress
> >less than non-bubbled neompreme, and will rebound exceptionally well,
> >but still has a massive buoyancy swing. Only somebody who does not know
> >any better dives a neopreme dryuit of any kind.
> >
> >We use the G231 nmaterial for our hoods so that they do not stay crushed
> >and rebound at deco to keep us warm.
> >
> >The problem is diving is that you have an expensive , upscale sprot that
> >is taught by roofers and insects who are dumber than mushrooms and can't
> >get anything right. I saw an explanation of oxtox on the GUE list that
> >some guy got from one of the other agencies ( he threw it out for our
> >amusement) that was cause for Baker Acting whomever told it to him. What
> >amazes me is that the smart people believe the cockroaches and then go
> >so far as to repeat the slathering moronity that is taught to them by
> >the dive industry savants.
> >
> >This is yet one more example. What you ar "missing" , Simon, is just how
> >freaking stupid the dive "educators" really are. Good thing we have
> >these lists, or we'd all be Tai Chi breathing and taking deep air
> >classes in bondage wings , steel tanks with wetsuits, hemlets, square
> >lights, skin diving fins, neopreme drysuits, fucked up manifolds, tec
> >bs's, slobwinders, impropperly marked bottles, stroke gear configs,
> >stuffed hoses, Poseiden second stages, high speeed inflators, 1/2 inch
> >port regs, etc, etc.
> >
> >Simon Murray wrote:
> >>
> >> I had a conversation with a long term hardened stroke over the weekend
> >> and he told me that his non-crushed neoprene dry suit does not change
> >> its buoyancy characteristics as he goes deeper because the helium that
> >> he uses to inflate it penetrates the neoprene and stops it from
> >> crushing.
> >>
> >> Sounds like one of the best stroke stories I have ever heard, or am I
> >> completely missing something ?
> >>
> >> Regards,
> >>
> >> Simon Murray
> >
> >
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