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Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2000 11:24:24 -0800
To: Steve Hogan <Steve.Hogan@tr*.co*>
From: "Kevin Connell" <kevin@nw*.co*>
Subject: RE: Development of a techdiver lurker.
Cc: techdiver@aquanaut.com
here's the direct url, it's ok to post these.

http://www.nwls.com/list-archive/reademail.asp?id=46312

At 12:10 PM 2/22/2000 -0800, you wrote:
>Claus,
>
>good post. This makes me think back to some of the truly funny
>posts from Kevin Juergensen (the Dude) (Kevin, sorry if I misspelled your
>name).
>
>For those of you that do not remember
>the Dude, he was a fixture (A welcome sense of humor) on techdiver for
>a while but is now on the rebreather list. For a good laugh, search
>Kevin Connell's website on the rebreather list for some of the dude's stuff
>(Kevin's site is not what will evoke the laughter as his site is fully
>functional)
>FOr a good laugh check out the dude blaming Rich Pyle for anything that goes
>bad
>on a rebreather.....
>
>I should probably check to see what some of his latest gems are.....
>
>later
>
>Steve
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Claus Lisberg [mailto:stclaus@ma*.st*.dk*]
> > Sent: Tuesday, February 22, 2000 3:45 AM
> > To: techdiver
> > Subject: Development of a techdiver lurker.
> >
> >
> > Having seen the coming-out-of-the-closet of the latest generation of
> > lurkers/techdiver list newbies, I cannot help but comment on
> > what seems
> > to be the development cycles of said people, who I fondly refer to by
> > their Latin name, Luorkius Strokeniur or "loser" for short. Because of
> > the truly objective used during my investigations, I can with full
> > confidence say that the following is backed up by hard science and
> > practical experience.
> >
> > If you don't believe me, ask Bret Gilliam. Or the Doc on crack, they
> > really know about these things and I see them as very valuable
> > individuals capable of discerning between mumble bumble pseudo science
> > and the real thing with a delightful precision.
> >
> > At any rate, or in doc's case rates, here are the development
> > stages as
> > identified and found, in chronological order.
> >
> > 1. Awareness of TechDiver stage
> > During this initial phase, the loser is introduced to the techdiver
> > list, either by other losers at higher developing stages, by
> > sheer luck
> > or by something akin to divine intervention. It is here we
> > will find the
> > first signs of personality traits such as arrogance and pride taking
> > over, and the foremost thoughts in the mind of the loser is "cool, I'm
> > gonna show these slapdick dudes just how it's done. My caged doubles
> > look really techie, so they'll invite me into the old boys club
> > directly. If not, I'll step on their balls."
> >
> > 2. Initial correspondence
> > The second phase is the actual subscribing to the techdiver list, also
> > referred to by losers as "being recognized as a great diver
> > in the eyes
> > of the unknowing". Quite basically it consists of a subscribe message,
> > followed by an initial week of lurking and an attack of anger as the
> > losers pride is hurt when it reads negative comments regarding its new
> > and shiny Poseidon shower heads. But it is not until an evil gang of
> > people in a gang named "DIR" start trashing the newly
> > acquired tech bcd
> > the loser really loses its temper. Typically as a result of this, an
> > poorly spelled letter is sent with the main tenet being "hey man, Ive
> > dived with this and i am not dead yett and you dont know what your
> > talking about. shut up - loser@ho*.co*".
> >
> > 3. An emerging split
> > For those losers who elegantly step over step 2, there is still hope.
> > But undoubtedly they will be in a position similar to the
> > step 2 losers.
> > They'll read all responses and with a rather arrogant look on
> > their face
> > conclude "he who uses profanity first loses, nyah nyah nyah".
> >
> > 4. The actual split
> > Here, the step two losers start attacking the DIR system,
> > after learning
> > that it was not a gang name after all. When such attacks prove futile
> > and embarrassing to the attackers, they move on to attack the DIR
> > proponents themselves - most notably George Irvine III. The latter,
> > having a reputation as an uncompromising individual makes sure in no
> > certain way that the attackers know his personal opinion about them,
> > their diving style, their diving skills and explains in lucid detail
> > just how closely related they are with other animal species.
> > Unlike the the step 2 losers, the losers who managed to avoid step 2,
> > now formally "lurkers" have begun a painful journey of realization.
> > Slowly they're learning that expensive gear must be replaced and fond
> > practices abandoned. Still, at this stage they consider DIR proponents
> > rude assholes and have some problems seeing through the way
> > the message
> > is delivered and reading the message itself.
> >
> > 5. The Big Step
> > During this phase, the losers/lurkers polarize. The losers,
> > inspired by
> > a fellow losers initial post, launch an additional offensive,
> > competent
> > that "stroke" is a compliment and that their knowledge has increased
> > exponentially since their last attempt. Naturally, this is
> > not the case
> > and they are swiftly turned into chum. At this stage, some of
> > the losers
> > undergo a transformation and drop back to step 3, but it's a rather
> > uncommon occurrence.
> > The lurkers at this point has realized that the DIR system
> > not only is a
> > good alternative, but probably the *best* alternative and
> > have secretly
> > begun replacing their gear. At this point in time, they do not comment
> > greatly on their strokish past, nor do they say much to their non
> > lurking real life dive buddies, be they losers, lurkers or just tech
> > diver list ignorants.
> >
> > 6. Final realization
> > Here the losers in a last desperate attempt to preserve an
> > already lost
> > dignity mumbles secret chants, hoping that ancient gods such
> > as Gilliam
> > shall come to their rescue, or alternative resort to the old Adolf
> > Hitler fascist name calling, before stating "hah, that showed
> > you!" or "
> > u r mean" and unsubscribing. Unfortunately, some of the losers suffer
> > from a strange form of mental and physical amnesia, and are
> > translocated
> > back to stage 2 to go through the entire process again.
> > For the lurkers, there's been developing a growing irritation
> > regarding
> > the losers, and more than a few have started to get pissed off when
> > these idiots due to their unfathomable lack of intelligence
> > fail to see
> > the obvious - dead people because of dumb people using idiotic
> > techniques/configurations. To these people, it becomes quite
> > tempting to
> > either try and educate losers or simply flame the hell out of them.
> > Doubts about the DIR system have been removed by a combination of real
> > life trial dives and polite and honest questions to the tech
> > diver list.
> > And it is from this position the lurker truly stands a chance of
> > developing as a diver, his or her animal heritage non withstanding.
> >
> > Quite naturally, I exaggerate/polarize above and make gross
> > generalizations but I feel to some extent it's true - you either wuss
> > out due to too thin skin or you sit back, shut the fuck up
> > and *learn*.
> > I made some comments initially myself about the way the message was
> > delivered. Thankfully, I learned to cage my pride/ignorance
> > in time and
> > sit back and listen.
> >
> > The best advice for new lurkers is to control those impulses to say
> > "George is mean" - to grow a thick skin on your nose.
> >
> > Hell, if you getup and jumpy about some messages on an
> > internet mailing
> > list, what the hell will happen to you when something
> > unforeseen happens
> > in a wreck in some deep, cold poor visibility waters?
> >
> > Sorry for the long rant. My dry suit (a very old ill fitting membrane
> > one) gave up on me and therefore I am not diving on this free day of
> > mine. And I won't till my new Otter suit arrives, which pisses me off
> > almost as much as the losers.
> >
> >
> > Regards
> > --
> > (Santa) Claus Lisberg
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  Kevin Connell <kevin@nw*.co*>

  NW Labor Systems, Inc
  http://www.nwls.com

  Res tantum valet quantum vendi potest.

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