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From: <billy@bd*.co*.au*>
Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2000 16:17:32 +1100
To: <techdiver@aquanaut.com>
Subject: Re: 59, no, 60, no, 61, no, 62 reasons you strokes should shut
     up and listen
At 06:45  21/02/00 , Kevin Pickering wrote:

>More rubbish
>Let's make something clear. You can't fault a lot of what George says, DIR
>is the way to dive. The problem is why should people log onto Tech Diver and
>listen to opinionated, egocentric pondlife trying to come up with the best
>put - down. This is the reason there is a backlash against DIR. It makes it
>very difficult to promote DIR when it is associated with the Tech Diver
>list.

Kevin, you, being out of the loop, are unaware of the 
constant exchange of information and ideas which goes
on outside the context of the lists. The WKPP guys answer
any and all honestly asked questions.

Your statement about a 'backlash' against DIR is unfounded 
and marks you as being every bit as opinionated as those
who you criticise. But at least their opinions are based
in fact.

A couple of other points.

1. Ask a straight question and you get a straight answer.

2. Impart less than optimal information and you get jumped.

3. Try to 'manage' the societal aspects of the list and you
get told to go fuck yourself.


>As for the guy that published the names of deceased fellow divers, well,
>that was a cheap shot. 

See point 3. 

The list of dead that John published is a timely and 
sombre reminder that we're not here for the Teddy 
Bear's picnic. The stuff we do has certain risks 
attached which, if you don't work assiduously to 
reduce them, will bite you on the arse. Actions like 
publishing the list are a useful thing. Keeping it 
quiet or hiding the reasons behind the deaths as the 
dive establishment has done on numeris occasions does 
a grave disservice to all of us.

>How low can you get. 

This low: You can dive like a stroke, teach for a 
stroke agency, and train a lot of students to be 
strokes. Then when you kill a few, you hide the 
reasons so no-one can learn or avoid the traps. 
That's how low.

>Here's a question for you. How
>many of those divers would be alive today if they hadn't have been put off
>of DIR by the mentality of the above pondlife. You guys are killing as many
>as DIR saves.

Idiocy spoken with the conviction that only comes
from profound ignorance.

rgrds billyw





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