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Michael,
This is my last response to you about this nonsense. I told you in a
private post that you can not do these dives and be considered
conservative. NOAA is conservative and the "clock" is conservative. We
are safer doing these dives than you are swimming in your pool. This is
not lightly undertaken.
Sheck Exley said many years ago that George has taken the risk out of
cave diving. This is a paraphrase because you do not merit my effort to
find the exact quote. We did not start this yesterday, we have been at it
since 1987, that is 13 years, and an untold amount of man hours. During
all of this the WKPP has amassed an amazing safety record, all the while
doing dives that no one else in the world does.
I will wager that you did not read all of my post, so I will be
brief: If you do a dive on 32% at an average of 100' for 120 min and deco
on oxygen you EXCEED THE CNS CLOCK. Does ever one that dives at Little
River tox, no Michael they do not. Do you know why they don't seize,
because the clock is nothing more than a means to express an old, outdated,
and arbitrary concept as it relates to percentages. The PO2 portion is
still valid. That is why we do not exceed PO2s of 1.6. Why don't you busy
yourself with some research into the "clock" and discover how they came up
with the 100% limit.
While the dangers of oxygen toxicity are very real they are also very
manageable, and if I weren't so damn busy explaining elementary concepts to
people, like you, who do not have a clue, I might be able to finished
disseminating some of the information we have acquired, so that others may
cave dive safely. That is what the WKPP has done and is doing for cave
diving. What may I ask have your contributions been? The world is waiting
to learn from you Dr. Black, please don't let us down and freely share you
infinite wisdom about cave and technical (I hate that word) diving.
The analogy you have provided the world is as pathetic as the rest of
your inane email diatribes. It would behove you to learn what you are
talking about before you open your mouth in the future. You may be a "god"
on rec.scuba, but this is not a coral reef and we do things a little
differently.
Scott Hunsucker
At 07:38 AM 02/15/2000 -0800, Michael J. Black wrote:
>The quick version:
>
>Mr. Hunsucker says it's not OK to speed with your car (exceed
>pO2 1.6), but it is OK to run stop signs (exceed 100% CNS clock, up
>to 20,000%).
>
>The dirty version:
>
>Your account is seriously past due, please pay immediately (WKPP
>divers are going to get hurt, and are lucky to have made it this far
>if you listen to Mr. Hunsucker).
>
>The safe version:
>
>Do not speed or run stop signs. Both can get you hurt. MJB
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Michael,<br>
This is my last response to you about this nonsense. I
told you in a private post that you can not do these dives and be
considered conservative. NOAA is conservative and the
"clock" is conservative. We are safer doing these dives
than you are swimming in your pool. This is not lightly
undertaken. <br>
Sheck Exley said many years ago that George has taken the
risk out of cave diving. This is a paraphrase because you do not
merit my effort to find the exact quote. We did not start this
yesterday, we have been at it since 1987, that is 13 years, and an untold
amount of man hours. During all of this the WKPP has amassed an
amazing safety record, all the while doing dives that no one else in the
world does.<br>
I will wager that you did not read all of my post, so I will
be brief: If you do a dive on 32% at an average of 100' for 120 min
and deco on oxygen you EXCEED THE CNS CLOCK. Does ever one that
dives at Little River tox, no Michael they do not. Do you know why
they don't seize, because the clock is nothing more than a means to
express an old, outdated, and arbitrary concept as it relates to
percentages. The PO2 portion is still valid. That is why we
do not exceed PO2s of 1.6. Why don't you busy yourself with some
research into the "clock" and discover how they came up with
the 100% limit.<br>
While the dangers of oxygen toxicity are very real they are
also very manageable, and if I weren't so damn busy explaining elementary
concepts to people, like you, who do not have a clue, I might be able to
finished disseminating some of the information we have acquired, so that
others may cave dive safely. <u>That is what the WKPP has done and
is doing for cave diving.</u> <b>What may I ask have your
contributions been? The world is waiting to learn from you Dr.
Black, please don't let us down and freely share you infinite wisdom
about cave and technical </b>(I hate that word) <b>diving. <br>
</b>The analogy you have provided the world is as pathetic as the
rest of your inane email diatribes. It would behove you to learn
what you are talking about before you open your mouth in the
future. You may be a "god" on rec.scuba, but this is not
a coral reef and we do things a little differently.<br>
Scott Hunsucker<br>
At 07:38 AM 02/15/2000 -0800, Michael J. Black wrote:<br>
<blockquote type=cite cite>The quick version:<br>
<br>
Mr. Hunsucker says it's not OK to speed with your car (exceed<br>
pO2 1.6), but it is OK to run stop signs (exceed 100% CNS clock, up<br>
to 20,000%).<br>
<br>
The dirty version:<br>
<br>
Your account is seriously past due, please pay immediately (WKPP<br>
divers are going to get hurt, and are lucky to have made it this
far<br>
if you listen to Mr. Hunsucker).<br>
<br>
The safe version:<br>
<br>
Do not speed or run stop signs. Both can get you hurt.
MJB<br>
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