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Steve, tired of this. Nothing is going to change. Those who "ridicule"
me need to do two things for me to take them or you seriously: 1) do
their own body recoveries, 2) outgun me.

This is just one more be nice to the idiots thread, and it happens once
a month. I think if you look back, your buddies came on with the
attitude, and got wacked. 

There is nothing "fun" about Tom MOuth or any of those people. They are
as bitter as anyone can be. "Doing it wrong and it works for us" is not
too funny when I have been diving for the bodies of their victims



Steve Orrell wrote:
> 
> Hi Trey, on 11:55 15/02/00  wrote,
> 
>  >Steve. DIR "dead in the water". Quite the opposite, and again, I ask you
>  >to tell me what is the better way, and why, and tell me where the
>  >principles I have outlined in any of these discussions do not apply
>  >universally.
> 
> As I've tried to touch on, the reason I was bullied myself into starting
> this fray was precisely because, imho, the DIR principals have something to
> offer everyone. My point being that the belligerence and posturing by the
> very proponents of the system are actively *preventing* more people
> listening and taking notice. The whole Dive Girl thing is about fun and,
> the way I see it, they reflected the ridicule that "DIR" has brought upon
> itself... that's the extent to which this has spread.
> 
> Take the guy I mentioned yesterday, my friend, he was new to the
> Internet... but he'd sure heard about TechDiver's reputation and refused to
> even think about subscribing. He's switched on when it comes to diving, yet
> the things I mention to him, that I have picked up from this list, he
> listens to avidly... How many others have been driven away because they
> don't want the aggravation?
> 
>  >I will vehemently criticize the dangerous bullshit on here when it
>  >appears, and have done so for years.
> 
> OK, being objective, where's it got you?
> 
> It takes a "diplomat", with an equal measure of skill in debate and
> coercion, to make lasting impact.
> 
>  >BTW, my tapes are absolutely hated by the real hardened strokes.
> 
> I can well understand what you're saying. A closed mind is not the sole
> preserve of any walk of life.
> 
>  >Steve, how many people make up T shirts  about you and discuss and worry
>  >about you at every opportunity? How many do it about anyone in diving
>  >but me? You don't get it - that means I am winning , and winning big.
> 
> Aw, c'mon. How on earth can you twist the ridicule you're generating around
> to say you're winning? That really is perverse.
> 
>  >And by the way, your boys from the UK - the two Britsh kids that dove
>  >with Stone - they may be the best you guys have to offer, but they could
>  >not even follow our line
> 
> <snip>
> 
> Its the same thing with our Olympic athletes. The reason being that there
> is just not the facilities to build up the skill over here... but time and
> again we've shown that, on an equal playing field, our athletes are amongst
> the best in the world... but that's a different thread ;-)
> 
> --
> 
> Steve...


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