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From: <kirvine@sa*.ne*>
Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2000 06:28:55 -0500
To: "Robert L. Dawson" <Bob@Ro*.Or*>
CC: techdiver@aquanaut.com
Subject: Re: Cave training
Dawson is right on the money here. I will repeat: when I showed up wtih
my tweleve inch dick and know it all attittude, Parker Turner let all
the gas out of my tanks in front of everyone, took a wrench and took the
bands and manifold off my twinset, told me to keep my sreet clothes on
for a few months, and told me to "take the cotton out of your ears and
put it in your mouth", told me "only a stroke like .... would dive air",
etc , etc. Gavin told me to "quit the stroke shit", said he did not
think my drysuit would fit since "nothing that could fit over your head
could possibly seal around your neck", and nobody would dive with me
other than Lamar Eglish, and that was just becuase he and I were already
friends before cave diving, and the big joke all around was calling me
up and asking if I was still alive. Billy Deans called me once a week to
ask that question and laugh at me.

And guess what, none of those guys had the track recond then that I do
now, or the track record of an organzation as it is today. Back then
there were more dead guys in WKPP than alive. I still knew instinctively
that they were right, that they had the right to say so, and that they
were where the action was, that they were the best in the business and
the cutting edge even then and I wanted to only be with the best, so I
did what they said, and now I run the Project and do the same, only now
it is a lot bigger and a lot more important to everyone, and is no
longer the best kept secret in diving. Nobody ( in diving or dive
instruction) wants anyone to know about us ( we make them look bad by
comparison), and nobody wants anyone to do other than hate us, and that
is because we are wher the action is, and they are not, and never will
be.

I do not want to hear from anyone how our system is bullshit unless they
can get out the dive resume, and lay it next to mine with a straight
face. If you are a rookie , STFU and listen. I did.


Robert L. Dawson wrote:
> 
> >>Bruce R'. Miller" <brm@yo*.co*>
> >>All he did was ask a question...
> 
> I don't think so... He went on to talk about his other grand
> experiences. As if they make him more competent in the water... I've
> killed a few people and blown lots of shit up. Who gives a rat's ass.
> That has nothing to do with the quality of(or lack there-of) my
> diving. I know a lot. I also have a lot to learn and have no problem
> with having my ass handed to me.... By somebody who knows WTF they are
> doing... For instance, I am a great openwater/recreational diver. I am
> a really good recreational instructor. I am a safety-minded
> cave/technical diver. I have no business instructing people in the
> cave environment. These are the limitations of my ability. I know
> this, and benefit (get to live another day) as a result of this
> knowledge. My students also benefit because of this knowledge and also
> from the fact that I'm not afraid to refer a student when the training
> they seek is beyond the level of my ability.
> 
> I'll be the first to tell a student (or anybody for that matter) what
> it's like now to look back and see what a bad-ass I thought I was...
> knowing now the reality of what a dangerous dumb-ass I really was... I
> was the poster child for SDW (Stroke-Divers of the Worled). I showed
> up for the first day of my cave training with a brand new Zeagle
> Ranger BC (the ultimate in tech... : ) ) Thank God my instructor
> wasn't so afraid of losing a dollar that he wouldn't teach my right
> from wrong. I am lucky to be alive... Most of us (with more than 70
> dives) can probably say something like this... Heed the info here, and
> maybe you'll be able to say that in a few years... Otherwise, the
> wife/mother's name and phone number on your tanks is a great idea...
> Maybe consider diving with a set of dog tags and some type of photo
> I.D...
> 
> In other words:
> 
> Hey Ben, cave diving (or diving in general) is no place to compensate
> for a small penis... Stick to elite kayack-chute-glid-a-sailing or
> whatever... I ask this as a personal favor. My insurance is high
> enough and I don't want to have to teach in a third-world country.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> BoB.
> "I'm not the expert, but I know where we can find one."
> --RLD

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