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You are the one with the bad attitude, and the tough guy prove yourself
complex. Your self deluded nonsense is a joke to any of us. You don't
know what risk is, big time. We don't need you in cave diving . PERIOD.

 You have no business taking any cave diving until you learn how to dive
in the first place,  and then lose the attitude and the smart mouth.
Nobody with a clue will spend five seconds with you until that happens. 

By the way, what happened to the know it all don't want to do it our way
line? Did somebody straighten you out on that one yet? Did  anyone
bother to tell yoo that "hogarthian" is not what we do at all when you
were dispensing your ridiculous "opinion" on that topic?

Not impressed. The fact is you will never have to deal with me, and you
can use the delete key on my posts. The truth is you just got your
little ass kicked back to where it belongs by anyone and everyone who
knows the score in this sport. Try again minus the baby talk when you
get some time under your belt. How is the cave diving in Boston, by the
way. When I went ot schol up there , there was none. Did you dig a few
or what?

Ben Wiseley wrote:
> 
> Techdiver people,
> 
> Thank you for the many responses to my question about
> where and how to receive cave training.  As was
> obvious from my post I’m just getting into technical
> diving but obviously need some more practice before
> attempting Cave 1 with GUE.  I’ll start diving here in
> New England with doubles (and take the flack from the
> lobster boys) until I get really comfortable with it.
> 
> My ego’s not as big as Texas but I feel I must at
> least try to defend myself against George.  This will
> be my last post regarding this to avoid an all out
> flame war.
> 
> I’ve done some very “risk management” sports in my
> time.  They’d include white water kayaking (try diving
> in 20 mph current with no tank and getting pinned
> under your boat to a rock), paragliding (try keeping
> your cool as a down draft hurtles you towards power
> lines), ice climbing (do I even need to justify that
> one?), and mountaineering (what I’d give for oxygen
> toxicity concerns :)...  Diving in January in New
> England may not be as technical as Cave Diving but
> it’s certainly no walk in the park.  I don’t, however,
> feel I know it all... I think asking what I did on
> techdiver should have pretty much explained that.
> 
> In any case, the sports I mentioned above all went
> through what Cave Diving went (and is still going)
> through.  A lot of people were dying and everyone was
> getting pretty pushy about regulations and training so
> the sites/areas/sport wouldn’t be shut down.  People,
> unfortunately, are not nearly as smart as they might
> think they are.  Accidents happen and those of us that
> will evolve and breed again learn from the mistakes...
> those that don’t loose fingernails on cave ceilings
> trying to dig through limestone.
> 
> Every sport has new people trying to learn.  Most
> people in risk management sports understand that the
> yahoo who just showed up is going to attempt their
> sport one way or another.  Some people remember when
> they were that yahoo.  The people who are good at
> their sport realize that they must help that yahoo
> before they have to rescue them.  While George might
> think he’s in line for a humanitarian award he has
> obviously given up on trying to help anyone new to the
> sport.  His attitude will have people seeking out the
> instructors who will train anyone and will ultimately
> get those people killed.  Him saying “let’s just rule
> out GUE right now” leaves me with what option?  Not
> cave diving or finding an unscrupulous teacher who
> doesn’t care.  Either way – he’s added to the problem.
>  Would you rather have kids give up and go to a
> community college or work their butt off and get into
> Harvard.  I think the answer is obvious.
> 
> I don’t know anything about George.  From the posts
> I’ve seen on techdiver he seems pretty f’ing good at
> diving (maybe one of the top people in the field) –
> it’s unfortunate that his attitude is so bad.
> 
> Thanks for you help techdiver people.  I’ll get more
> training before entering your realm again.
> 
> -ben
> 
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