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Alan, nobody is going to teach cave to a know it all with 70 dives other
than maybe the bottom of the barrel. I advised this punk to put his
wife's or mother's  phone number on his tanks, and make sure everyone
knows where the car keys are. I'm calling this one right here, right now
in public - this guy is dead within the year if he does not lose the
attitude. He is coming in to our game telling us how he wants us to do
it for him, His Majesty The Baby.

There is nothing , nothing more dangerous in this sport than an attitude
like this person has . NOTHING. Anyone who takes this guy on as a cave
student now is committing murder, and breaking evey rule in the books.
This guy needs to take the cotton out of his ears and put it in his
mouth, take a seat, and STFU.

By the way, the best humor came when this character wrote to me and said
he would never take my courses! I love that shit - I am not an
instructor. If you are taking my "course", you are in deep shit.

Alan Fossum wrote:
> 
> Ben, 70 dives not near enough in my opinion. When I took my cave training I
> must of had around 300-350 dives. With many of those in cold water using
> doubles. I picked up on DIR early on from this list and cavers. Should of
> seen my friends when I started diving with a backplate, wings and a 7ft
> hose.
> I took my training from Tyler Moon, at Ginnie Springs. Then there was no GUE
> but he is one of there instructors now I believe. Check there website to be
> sure, you can't go wrong with Tyler.
> I asked the same question on techdiver and cavers back then and Tylers name
> kept coming up time and again.
> Good luck, Al
> 
> Ben Wiseley wrote:
> 
> > Hi,
> >
> > I’m new to the mailing list and had some questions
> > about Cave training.
> >
> > I was looking for recommendations of places to do my
> > training.  I was interested in doing training in
> > either Mexico or Florida but am open to any
> > suggestions.
> >
> > What are peoples thoughts on TDI, GUE, and NSS-CDS?
> > Is one group much better or is it the teacher that you
> > should look for?  In Florida... when they say you need
> > a "cave card" does it matter who it's from?
> >
> > I’m looking for very solid training but would like to
> > avoid the overly opinionated people that seem to be in
> > the tech community during my training (the people who
> > will bite your head off if you dare to ask WHY the
> > Hogarthian method is better than others).  I would
> > like to find a group/individual who are more like
> > teachers/scientists than some mad man military type.
> > I realize that there is endless debate about every
> > aspect of technical diving (although you all seem to
> > agree that training is necessary).  I also realize
> > that, at some point, the teacher made a decision that
> > he thought was best and that everyone is very
> > passionate about tech diving because people die doing
> > it.  I just don’t want to take classes from someone
> > who verges on psychopathic if you dare ask why (which
> > seems like a pretty natural thing to do in tech
> > diving).
> >
> > My experience:  PADI Rescue Diver.  70 dives (Boston,
> > Caribbean, and California).  Will be diving all of Feb
> > – which should bring logged dives well over 100.  I’ve
> > read every book I can find on technical (cave, wreck,
> > deep) diving and would like to take the next step by
> > starting training.
> >
> > Goals:  I’d like to be able to dive in moderate caves
> > and minimize the risks as much as possible.
> >
> > Sorry for the long post.  Any information would be
> > greatly appreciated.
> >
> > -ben
> > Boston, MA
> >
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