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Andrew, i am not saying Padi is the be all and end all of diving.
I am not saying that all is good in the Padi-world and some of
the Padi-pros r not up to standard. That said, imagining the diving
community without Padi, would that be a good thing? I think not.

Somebody has to market diving for the public, and the general
public is not ready to commit to exellence, they have not the
time, money or interest to do that and we as diving pros have two
options as i see it, either say; sorry diving is not for anyone but the
macho, dedicated, wannabe-a-stardiver with lots of time and money,
or compromise. I feel the latter is ok, as not all of the divers out there
want to see the Brittannic. (And personally, i would not have been
diving today had it not been for Padi)

Speaking of ancle-weights....I feel that those are a diving industry-
problem more so than a Padi-problem. The industry is spewing out
useless gear at a rate that is phenomenal.

Advanced.....how can u get an advanced card in 8 dives?
And the program is not intended to make people advanced divers,
its for advancing the skills they have. It is there to give us more time
to show the right way to do things, a safety factor and a way for people
to scedule their diving education according to their other commitmens
and as a way too split the expense.

Makes sense to me, but of course, when u have an organisation this large
there are stuff going on that are not optimal, dont dump everything in the
"Padi sucks" box. Some of Padi do, most of it do not.


Einar

> Bob this guys name is Einar.
>
> And boy does he snivels.
>
>  So really EINAR, you are trying to be a good diver. Wow, first thing's
> first quit the sniveling. Suck it up and learn from the best not an
> organization that is destroying the diving industry by self perpetuating
> it's name and selling books and C-Cards to everyone. Rather than trying to
> "do it right", teach people the right way to dive, develop a divers skills
> so they are not relying on a crutch,  they would rather certify everyone
> even if it meant giving them a crutch like ankle weights. (People can
become
> PADI advanced divers with 8 dives under their belt.) If you wear the right
> equipment you don't need a crutch. Rather than teaching students to dive
> with a band aid, you should take the time to develop a divers skills so
they
> are not reliant on equipment that hinders their performance. (gear such a
> bondage wings and ankle weights). When teaching a potential diver,  don't
> just certify some one in 4 ow dives or give them a drysuit course with one
> openwater dive or even worse give them their advanced card with 8 dives
> under their belts. Read a PADI ow book and tell me that is a thorough
class.
> Please. It is so distilled they barely learn anything.
>
> The comment I was making was that PADI divers have a way of associating
> everything with PADI. Such as a PADI buddy and a PADI advanced Class and a
> PADI Ankle Weights. PADI is a marketing outfit that is trying to Brand
name
> diving the "PADI way". So as I do not know you personally or you're
ability
> I can not say that you are a good or a bad diver whether or not you are a
> PADI instructor or not means a hell a beans different to me.
>
>  I  teach Openwater Class, in fact I taught 9 ow classes in 1999 and
certify
> divers at every level including all the GUE levels. That doesn't make me
> brilliant but it gives a great foundation on which I am make my point. My
> point is that PADI is destroying the diving industry by banging students
out
> as fast as they can so they can sell more PADI c-cards and PADI patches
and
> their PADI diplomas, all this  at the expense of teaching them to do it
> right, the right way from the get go.
>
> How many people do you know out there are now trying to discover and learn
> GUE and DIR? Tons.
> How many are experienced divers that feel they need more information and a
> better standard of training? All.
> My point is why bring them in,  teach 'em wrong, then let 'em go out and
> discover the right way to do it later.
> This sounds S..... well PADI likes it. They get to sell more C-Cards. PADI
> please give us a break they are only interested in PADI
>
> Andrew Georgitsis
> PDIC Instructor Trainer
> SSI Instructor Certifier
> GUE Instructor through level 3
>



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