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From: "Sean M. Cary" <smcary@mi*.co*>
To: <kirvine@sa*.ne*>, "Todd Baldi" <sandiegoaes@ya*.co*>
Cc: <Jbdvr@ao*.co*>, <techdiver@aquanaut.com>
Subject: Re: burst disc's
Date: Sat, 1 Jan 2000 22:18:36 -0500
Do HE locks work on scooter motors as well as they do my tanks?  Every Tech
diver should have a Farb HE lock on their tanks, to do otherwise is wasting
a limted resource!

Sean


----- Original Message -----
From: <kirvine@sa*.ne*>
To: "Todd Baldi" <sandiegoaes@ya*.co*>
Cc: <Jbdvr@ao*.co*>; <techdiver@aquanaut.com>
Sent: Thursday, December 30, 1999 7:48 PM
Subject: Re: burst disc's


> You are right - the helium leaked out of my gas and got into my scooter,
> thus cooling the motor.
>
> I pitch the tanks in five years, not one. I VIP them at home - even a
> suspicious line and their gone. One blew on me at a dive shop in
> Lauderdale, and you could not get near it without the air cutting
> whatever was in its path like a knife. The one in the habitat the neck
> started coming apart, but I refused to pick it up and so did JJ, so we
> sat with it and dared each other to jettison it, for about three hours.
> Then I put it back on and dove it. This is not nearly as bad as me
> moving the alligator off of my deco bottles by hand with Barry filming
> it two feet away. The head looked like a trash can with lips.
>
> Todd Baldi wrote:
> >
> > George,
> >
> > You better not dive those doubles mixed in 1997.
> > According to Bill Stone's Wakulla book all the helium
> > molecules have escaped by now and you only have a
> > nitrox mix.
> >
> > On a more serious note, can you give more info on the
> > tank going on you in the habitat?  What happened the
> > burst disc blew?  I knew that the Luxfer tanks had a
> > problem with their tanks containing to much aluminum
> > in them and developed neck cracks.  Is this what you
> > are refering to?  What reasons do you have for not
> > using an aluminum for more than a year?
> >
> > TB
> >
> > --- kirvine@sa*.ne* wrote:
> > > What does WKPP do? We plug them with 1/16" shim
> > > material. We generally
> > > fill the tanks to about 3300 . We also throw them
> > > away when they get
> > > old. Also, most of us have several sets, so no one
> > > set gets to much
> > > cycling, which is what kills the tank.
> > >
> > > One big problem with steel tanks is that they will
> > > pas hydro pretty much
> > > no matter what since they tend to stretch and stay
> > > that way, so then do
> > > not show the overstretch and failure to return in
> > > the hyrostatic test.
> > >
> > > Better to leave tanks full all the time than cycle
> > > them. In WKPP, our
> > > rules are specific as to gas manmgement - we are the
> > > worlds biggest
> > > weenies - we usually do not even touch the backgas,
> > > so many of us go
> > > months without refilling cave gas doubles. I have
> > > sets marked 1997 still
> > > in the que.
> > >
> > > For anyone else who is just doubles diving, I would
> > > suggest buying new
> > > tanks and pitching them rather than hydroing them if
> > > you are diving
> > > constantly.
> > >
> > > For aluminum tanks, I would definitely give them the
> > > boot every few
> > > years. These things at $100 per are not barely even
> > > worth VIPing a
> > > second time in my opinion. I have already had a few
> > > of these go of on me
> > > in the fill bin , but luckily they did not come
> > > apart. One came apart on
> > > me and JJ in the habitat.
> > >
> > >
> > > Jbdvr@ao*.co* wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Yet another question. I, like everyone else who
> > > dives in north-central Fl,
> > > > Pumps their steel's to 3300 to 3500 psi. Should
> > > this practice be stopped
> > > > after a certian time period,say 5 to 6 years? My
> > > burst disc's are the
> > > > originals, rated for 3000 psi. A lot of people say
> > > that the best thing to do
> > > > is; double burst both tanks to remove a potential
> > > failure point,OR plug one
> > > > tank and install a 4000psi disc in the other one
> > > OR install 4000 psi disc in
> > > > both tanks OR, do nothing. What does the WKPP or
> > > other hard-core cavers do?
> > > > thanks....Joe B
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