Manos

If this was a troll, well done, you've got me.  If not, then remove the
cotton.

>Simply because it is impossible to compare oranges with
>onions.

I think this is the nub if the issue, since I do not agree with your point.
We are talking about diving and fundamental principles for safety.

I see no reason why the "technical" cannot be applied to recreational diving.
The reverse as it stands now cannot be done.  If training agencies were to
teach DIR procedures, equipment and configuration, then it would save a lot
of people the cost of replacing worthless equipment not to say the cost of
lost lives.  Clearly, I am talking DIR procedures applied in the context of
recreational dives and within the experience of the diver.

Let me give you a simple example of this.  A few years ago, a diver died
whilst diving the Moldavia on air to 50m.  He was diving on a single and a
back mounted pony.  He jumped in breathing his pony regulator in error.
After he had depleted the pony supply, he tried to locate is octo.  This was
stuffed in his BC pocket and he could not get it in his moment of stress.
Memory fails me as to the actions of his buddy.

Obviously, a DIR diver would have approached this very same dive, considered
recreational in the UK, quite differently.  In fact, the simple addition of a
necklace to hold the backup would have saved his life.

What I describe here is very common to see in the UK, especially on shallower
dives.  One of the most stupid things I hear from time-to-time is
recreational divers saying, "I don't need to do XYZ because I don't do the
diving you do".  They are accepting a lesser level of equipment or
configuration just because their dives are shallow and perceived to be less
dangerous.  When the brown stuff hits the fan you want to give yourself the
best chance of getting out of it, no matter what depth you find yourself in.

Festive felicitations.

David Shimell
Email: shimell@se*.co* <mailto:shimell@se*.co*> 
Project Manager, IBM NUMA-Q, Sequent Computer Systems Limited,
Weybridge Business Park, Addlestone Road, Weybridge, Surrey, KT15 2UF, UK
registered in England and Wales under company number: 1999363, registered
office as above

-----Original Message-----
From:	Manos Manoli [SMTP:manos@ma*.co*.cy*]
Sent:	Friday, December 24, 1999 8:21 AM
To:	Tech Diver
Subject:	Re: Attention NAUI members only

I do not see the reason why you people are going on and on on those matters.
Im a Naui Instructor for the last 2 years and if i look back at my long term
training i wouldn't find anything in recreational diving that blends with
tech
Diving.
And you know why ? Simply because it is impossible to compare oranges with
onions.
I am a multiple personality person like any recreational instructor should be
when
teaching a course or when diving at extremes with tech equipment.
We are subscribed to this list to share ideas and not to argue with each
other.
It is impossible again to understand the logic of  applying the same rules on
2
completely different subjects. If you take the risk of tech dive then you
accept rules and procedures that look crazy and suitable to others.

Manos Manoli
Greek Island of Cyprus.






MHK wrote:

> > Well, I don't know what John had to say, but what does this have to do
> with
> > being a Course Director?  A Course Director doesn't necessarily have
> anything
> > to do with technical diving.  Who are you and please explain the problem.
>
> I believe John is in a better position to explain *exactly* what he said.
> But from my understanding, John was invited to speak at some NAUI seminar
> and he made the * out of left feild* suggestion that an OOA diver take the
> reg from the buddies mouth.  He went on to explain that the theory was that
> the OOA diver would have a working reg to the extent that he/she took such
a
> reg.
>
> I state FTR, I was not at he seminar, but that is clearly my understanding.
> NAUI course directors could not fathom such a suggestion going as far as
> saying that they should take the *octo* and if it doesn't work then every
> man for himself.  That is what the NAUI course directors are teaching.
> John, rightly so, took exception to this TEACHING PHILOSOPHY.  This is what
> they are teaching there instructors to teach students.
>
> So instead of listening to others, and perhaps learning from others, they
> decide to start there own list.
>
> I say GO AHEAD.  IDIOTS AND SHORT TERM THINKERS such as them deserve each
> other.
>
> Later
>
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