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From: <kirvine@sa*.ne*>
Date: Thu, 09 Dec 1999 06:19:16 -0500
To: Capt JT <captjt@mi*.co*>
CC: techdiver@aquanaut.com
Subject: Re: what to do with your other hand when the main one is on
     the wood
Yo are nto using my bottle marking system, yho are making it dagnberous
by adding siliness ot the markings - this is stupid - jsut , plain,
stupid.

JT, I have been diving all my life. Te only reason you can not "make it
work" for you is that there is somethig that you are convoluting that
makes in not work. Try asking instead of convoluting.

Don't even try to tell me that there is some kind of diving that the
worldwide WKPP affillites are not doing. That would be baloney.

On the subject of your diving with strokes, that is why you know so much
about strokes, and why you participate in so many body recoveries. I
will not even get on a boat with strokes anymore, and there is no reason
on this earth that I have to. 

BTW, I have done more to teach more people than you ever will by taking
your ass in your hands diving with an hardehaded stroke. That is not the
way - either you do it right or stay home, JT. You need to make that
leap of faith and believe that compronise and corner cutting slack ass
laziness is not the answer, and my diving is a lot more fun than yours
because I have not had to ever make up a single exucuse for my diving,
and will not participate in a culsterfuck any more .


Capt JT wrote:
> 
> To put it plainly, there are not enough divers that know what the markings
> mean if I did not have the FT on it. To only dive with those that know the
> markings, means I will not be diving very much. To expose those divers who
> have not seen it before the Ft answers any question before they ask it. I
> am known by many here, many have heard my name long before they ever see
> me. When I come on a boat, I come to DIVE. Some will look at every pc of my
> gear and never ask me a question, the FT is for them. We now have a group
> here that very much uses your system. I'm sure that Jim has told you that
> in private, we push everyone here to dive this way. I had started using
> your ways long before I got on this list, it was not as fine tuned then as
> it is now. You are right about one thing, I am a tough diver. I could do
> all the dives that I have done already without your system. But why? You
> are right in almost every way with your system. Notice I said ALMOST, I am
> not a newbie, old timer, or cyber diver . I am the guy that goes every
> weekend all year long , to any depth , to any place. I am the guy that will
> try shit to see if it works and be truthful at what I find. There are parts
> to your system that I am dealing with and cannot seem to make it work for
> what I do. One thing I cannot do is be like you , I like to DIVE. I like
> diving with people who like to DIVE. I have only refused to dive with one
> person before. I then was asked to dive with this person again and did so
> only when the guys I use did support for us, that was my condition to go.
> There are many things I do to help these divers in this area become better
> safer divers.By your standards I am not DIR, but by using your system and
> my toughness that makes me GID (Getting It Done) You have no idea what your
> saying when you address me. Get a grip, diving is too much fun to be
> covered with the BS you put on it.
> 
> At 10:09 AM 12/8/99 -0500, you wrote:
> >Captain J. T. - does this mean you straightened out the bottles and quit
> >the stroke shit? You have made a couple of steps in the right direction,
> >and I am willing to acknoweldge that, but now it is time to go ahead and
> >do it right all the way.
> >
> >
> >Capt JT wrote:
> > >
> > > At 12:27 PM 12/7/99 -0500, kirvine@sa*.ne* wrote:
> > > >  I am sure JT is a tough diver - he
> > > >has to be with the dumb stiuff he pulls and still lives through it.
> > > >Let's just hope he does not kill himself with his bullshit bottle
> > > >markings and then have the stroke claim is was our fault.
> > >
> > > At 06:19 PM 9/3/99 -0400, kirvine wrote:
> > > I see on JT Barker's web page in his pictures from the McGurr Doria dive
> > > that he marks his bottles correctly ( almost - the word "feet" is
> > > unnecessary. Only the depth and the name of the owner are needed).
> > >
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