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    Sean, please allow me to respond.

"Sean M. Cary" wrote:

> The same Mark Zurl who writes for Fla SCUBA news that an 18/23 mix would
> have been adequate for a 280' dive, giving an END of 190 and a PO2 of 1.6?

    The point I tried to make in the story was that I realized my mistake from
advice
    I solicted from others who I knew were better than me and made the changes
    necessary to correct the problem.  The thrust of the story was recommending
    we can all learn from each other and not let our ego's get in the way of
    good judgement.  As I recall Sean, you were one of those people who helped
    me.  I even appolgized online for my mistake to let everyone know I
appreciated
    their assistance.

> The same Mark Zurl who shows pictures of a set of doubles with what appears
> to be a pony bottle DUCT TAPED to the side of them (Page 16 of the Florida
> SCUBA News)?

    Those were not my doubles.  I do not advocate this procedure, and your
right,
    I will start examing photo's closer before sending them to the publisher.

> The same Mike Zurl

`    my name is Mark, my brother is Mike ... by the way, I don't always agree
     with what he says either !

> who has his primary light (no back up)  go
> out on the decent of a dive in zero vis and total darkness to 280 fsw who
> relies upon his buddies light to read his SPG and Bottom timer?

    I never carry redundant lighting for dives at noon in the ocean.  I never
    considered myself in danger and could have aborted the dive at any time
    safely.  The lack of light was just an usual event that I had not
anticipated
    and was largely an inconvenice during this dive ...  I will accept anyone's
    recommendations on this issue also ...

> The same
> Mark Zurl who states deep air is a good thing, and acceptable, despite
> OVERWHELMING evidence of it dangers...

    I did not say Deep Air was a good thing ... We all recognize the advantages
    helium has, but I believe dives to 200feet can be done safely (on air).
There are
    many people in the world who do not have access to helium and their
    safety record is impressive.  Many dives have been done (maybe millions)
    on deep air  before generating a helium table became common knowledge and
    the statistics would not indicate that air (to 200') is compromising safety
to a large degree.

    I was upset when I saw the statement that teaching deep air is tantamount
    to murder.  It was irresponsible and slandered individuals who have made
    significant contributions to the industry.  In addition, it was an
    assumption that the recent death was a direct result of the diver breathing
    air instead of a helium mixture and this is open for debate.

> That is the person you want posting?
> Hell, why don't you start the STROKEDIVER@AQ*.CO*?  I'm sure you'd get
> quite a following...
>
> That way you and Von and Dave Sutton and the rest of the PP folks can
> congratulate each other on surviving another dive...hell you could all get
> together and do the Andre Smith memorial dive.  I hear Derek McNulty is out
> and about again, maybe he and Bill Stone would give speeches on how to kill
> a diver in 2 easy steps.  What have you learned from THEM??
>
> I have a picture of Mark Zurl in my store...next to a picture or me doing
> the same wreck the Lowrance  (not the same day...I don't keep the same
> circles as Mr. Zurl).  I am wearing my DIR kit, look clean streamlined and
> organized AL'80 Wet with 40's for Deco.  The pic of Mr. Zurl looks like a
> TDI class exploded...bi-lat steel stages, metal to metal connections,
> suicide clips the works...most people ask "why is he wearing all that shit
> Sean?"...

    That was an old picture of me when I started doing deeper dives.  Since
    that time I have embraced many DIR techniques and have improved my
    equipment configuration considerably.  Thanks are in order for all those
    who have given us this knowledge.

> I just shake my head and explain DIR...  And to those of us who
> have converted to DIR, it is almost religious...because once you see why
> everything is the way it is...you realize how brilliant it is.

> I'll take George and his attitude/language _ANY_ day...I have not learned a
> thing from Mark Zurl...but I have learned a TON from George.

    All the best,
    Mark Zurl

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<font color="#000099">    Sean, please allow me to
respond.</font>
<p>"Sean M. Cary" wrote:
<blockquote TYPE=CITE>The same Mark Zurl who writes for Fla SCUBA news
that an 18/23 mix would
<br>have been adequate for a 280' dive, giving an END of 190 and a PO2
of 1.6?</blockquote>
    <font color="#000099">The point I tried to make in the
story was that I realized my mistake from advice</font>
<br><font color="#000099">    I solicted from others who
I knew were better than me and made the changes</font>
<br><font color="#000099">    necessary to correct the
problem. 
The thrust of the story was recommending</font>
<br><font color="#000099">    we can all learn from each
other and not let our ego's get in the way of</font>
<br><font color="#000099">    good judgement.  As I
recall Sean, you were one of those people who helped</font>
<br><font color="#000099">    me.  I even appolgized
online for my mistake to let everyone know I appreciated</font>
<br><font color="#000099">    their assistance.</font>
<blockquote TYPE=CITE>The same Mark Zurl who shows pictures of a set of
doubles with what appears
<br>to be a pony bottle DUCT TAPED to the side of them (Page 16 of the
Florida
<br>SCUBA News)?</blockquote>
    <font color="#000099">Those were not my doubles. 
I do not advocate this procedure, and your right,</font>
<br><font color="#000099">    I will start examing photo's
closer before sending them to the publisher.</font>
<blockquote TYPE=CITE>The same Mike Zurl</blockquote>
<font color="#000099">`    my name is Mark, my brother is
Mike ... by the way, I don't always agree</font>
<br><font color="#000099">     with what he says
either
!</font>
<blockquote TYPE=CITE>who has his primary light (no back up)  go
<br>out on the decent of a dive in zero vis and total darkness to 280 fsw
who
<br>relies upon his buddies light to read his SPG and Bottom
timer?</blockquote>
    <font color="#000099">I never carry redundant lighting
for dives at noon in the ocean.  I never</font>
<br><font color="#000099">    considered myself in danger
and could have aborted the dive at any time</font>
<br><font color="#000099">    safely.  The lack of
light was just an usual event that I had not anticipated</font>
<br><font color="#000099">    and was largely an
inconvenice
during this dive ...  I will accept anyone's</font>
<br><font color="#000099">    recommendations on this issue
also ...</font>
<blockquote TYPE=CITE>The same
<br>Mark Zurl who states deep air is a good thing, and acceptable, despite
<br>OVERWHELMING evidence of it dangers...</blockquote>
    <font color="#000099">I did not say Deep Air was a good
thing ... We all recognize the advantages</font>
<br><font color="#000099">    helium has, but I believe
dives to 200feet can be done safely (on air).  There are</font>
<br><font color="#000099">    many people in the world who
do not have access to helium and their</font>
<br><font color="#000099">    safety record is
impressive. 
Many dives have been done (maybe millions)</font>
<br><font color="#000099">    on deep air  before
generating
a helium table became common knowledge and</font>
<br><font color="#000099">    the statistics would not
indicate
that air (to 200') is compromising safety to a large degree.</font><font
color="#000099"></font>
<p><font color="#000099">    I was upset when I saw the
statement that teaching deep air is tantamount</font>
<br><font color="#000099">    to murder.  It was
irresponsible
and slandered individuals who have made</font>
<br><font color="#000099">    significant contributions
to the industry.  In addition, it was an</font>
<br><font color="#000099">    assumption that the recent
death was a direct result of the diver breathing</font>
<br><font color="#000099">    air instead of a helium
mixture
and this is open for debate.</font>
<blockquote TYPE=CITE>That is the person you want posting?
<br>Hell, why don't you start the STROKEDIVER@AQ*.CO*?  I'm sure
you'd get
<br>quite a following...
<p>That way you and Von and Dave Sutton and the rest of the PP folks can
<br>congratulate each other on surviving another dive...hell you could
all get
<br>together and do the Andre Smith memorial dive.  I hear Derek McNulty
is out
<br>and about again, maybe he and Bill Stone would give speeches on how
to kill
<br>a diver in 2 easy steps.  What have you learned from THEM??
<p>I have a picture of Mark Zurl in my store...next to a picture or me
doing
<br>the same wreck the Lowrance  (not the same day...I don't keep
the same
<br>circles as Mr. Zurl).  I am wearing my DIR kit, look clean
streamlined
and
<br>organized AL'80 Wet with 40's for Deco.  The pic of Mr. Zurl looks
like a
<br>TDI class exploded...bi-lat steel stages, metal to metal connections,
<br>suicide clips the works...most people ask "why is he wearing all that
shit
<br>Sean?"...</blockquote>
<font color="#000099">    That was an old picture of me
when I started doing deeper dives.  Since</font>
<br><font color="#000099">    that time I have embraced
many DIR techniques and have improved my</font>
<br><font color="#000099">    equipment configuration
considerably. 
Thanks are in order for all those</font>
<br><font color="#000099">    who have given us this
knowledge.</font>
<blockquote TYPE=CITE>I just shake my head and explain DIR...  And
to those of us who
<br>have converted to DIR, it is almost religious...because once you see
why
<br>everything is the way it is...you realize how brilliant it
is.</blockquote>

<blockquote TYPE=CITE>I'll take George and his attitude/language _ANY_
day...I have not learned a
<br>thing from Mark Zurl...but I have learned a TON from
George.</blockquote>
    <font color="#000099">All the best,</font>
<br><font color="#000099">    Mark Zurl</font></html>

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