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JT, you ask; Am I Gary's friend? Well, we never shared a meal together, he has not been to my house (though I have been to his) we are cordial when we meet from time to time and i do admit he has made some significant contributions to wreck diving, and has a pretty cool collection of artyfacts. I have enjoyed my banters with him over the years and he was fun to watch when we dived together on the Doria. I did throw him back in the water once when i realized he took up more space on the boat then we had room for. Are we friends? If he was drifting away I would swim a line to him. Gary needs to win, and just like when one plays with children on occasion you need to let them win, when its time to lose they know what it feels like, even though they hate to admit it. Regards, JDS At 07:18 PM 11/26/99 -0500, Capt JT wrote: >Hello Joel >I am Glad to see so many divers coming out of the wood work to set things >right.I am sure that the whole story will come out , I have never met most >of you guys and the only connection I have with the wreck divers of the >past are in Garys books.So you see I can not be the only one like this , >there are others out there who can only go by what he writes.The more that >you guys keep to yourself , the more he has to write about.I to have ask >that question " how many friends does he have left" , are you one? >What do you guys plan on doing? > >JT > > At 06:19 PM 11/26/99 -0500, Joel Silverstein wrote: >>JT, >> >>I just finished Gary's book. At first I was pissed off, then i was >>appreciative >>of the chronicles, then I laughed. I wonder if Gary has any friends left, >>did he >>ever have any? Who knows. But on at least 6 of his stories his accounts are >>way off. >>He really only remembers what he remembers, maybe it's all the air diving >>that has >>affected long term memory, i don't know. In any event, he has taken many >>authors liberties >>in his tales, some are entertaining, some factual, some lies (or incomplete >>memories). >> >>The Italian Trip 1993 (post Republic, pre Moyer Trip) >> >>Gary seems to leave out that I was right there in the galley at that table >>during that >>conversation. I was trying very hard to stay out of it. But in small >>quarters its hard to. >> >>There were: Gary Gentile, Billy Deans, John Moyer, myself, in the galley >>was Lisa Kral at >>the other table was Capt Hank Garvin. >> >>Moyer was not "crew" on that trip he was there due to the upcoming trip he >>had and was >>doing some exploration with Billy Deans for the bell project, nevertheless >>John did his >>fair share of radar watches and lending a hand when needed. Gary was crew, >>as such he was >>under the rules of the Captain, so was I. Gary's words with Captain Janet >>and Captain Hank >>bordered on mutinous. She would have been well served to consider his >>insubordination worthy >>of relieving him of his duty. (She held that off till we were back at the >>dock). Billy caught >>hell and I got my share too for not getting up and leaving that conversation. >> >>The Italian divers were all quite competent and we were really not >>concerned with their >>abilities. Captain Hank made the very generous offer to get them some >>artifacts so they did not >>have to do any dives deeper than the promenade deck, which they were more >>than happy to enjoy. >>Granted we may have had an equipment problem with the chase boat but that was >>inconsequential to the problem we had with Gary. His recantation of the >>conversation and >>what Captain Janet said is pure fiction. >> >>John and Billy were working up in the winter garden, if we needed to use >>the chase boat it would have >>been to go pick them up when the zep crapped out, fortunately it did not. >> >>Without spending a lot of time trying to remember a small insignificant >>conversation >>7 years ago, suffice to say that Captain Janet never told them (Gary, John, >>Billy) that >>the Italians can go fuck themselves, she told Billy and John that their >>bell project was >>secondary to this paid charter. What Janet did tell them was that they >>could go fuck their bell project >>that it was not part of this charter, if they wanted to go work that area >>we could drop another line there. >> >>But she bent over backwards in dealing with these clients. We had some >>language problems but nothing that >>their English and my Italian (yes Jewish kids from Brooklyn can speak >>Italian) were not able to solve. >> >>It is interesting how as i read Gary's Chronicles he has had many blow outs >>with Captains over the years, and >>one item that seems to always be an issue for him is the chase boat. It >>made me wonder throughout the book was he >>really concerned about the other divers or was he really only concerned >>about himself? >> >>So now the score is simple about 5 to 1 in favor of the real story. Gary is >>on the short end of this tale. >> >>Regards, >> >>Joel Silverstein >> >> >>At 02:51 PM 11/26/99 EST, Wahoo2001@ao*.co* wrote: >> >JT, you missed the count, there were 5 people at that incident, John Moyer, >> >Gary Gentile, Billy Deans, Hank Garvin, Joel Silverstein and and six Janet >> >Bieser. >> >You seem to only want to see what you want. John Moyer said he cant >> remember >> >exactly and wrote that Janet said f--k the Italians. Joel Said in no way >> did >> >she say that and Hank Garvin said it didn't happen that way. so the >> score is >> >garys version John Moyer not sure, 11/2 for Gary and 2 for Janet side. I >> >spoke with Billy Deans, both after the incident when I read him the riot >> act >> >for thinking Janet was supposed to place his and John Moyer and Garys >>project >> >above her responsibility to her charter people the Italian, they were the >> >important people and Janet stated that VERY STERNLY to John Billy and >> >Gary."f--k your Bell project my passenger come first" Billy will confirm >> >this. Gary is a very shallow insecure person with a pen a paper. Remember >> >Gary publishes his own books no one with publish them for him to write >>about, >> >"How I learned to ride a bike" or when I was a boy scout. Remember what I >> >saying it will be your turn in the barrel if you ever diside to let Gary >> out >> >of your inside loop. Gary has no integrity. >> >captain steve bielenda >> >In a message dated 11/25/99 11:25:11 PM Eastern Standard Time, >> >Wahooorg@ao*.co* writes: >> > >> ><< >> > But to let you know the score here , out of the 4 people that heard >>this , >> > 2 said it happen , Janet says it didn't , the only one not to have said >> > anything is Billy Deans.I do not think he will come out to answer this. >> > Let it go Steve ! >> > >> > JT >> > >> > >> ><< Send subscribe/unsubscribe/help requests to >>VBTech-request@ci*.co* >> >> > > > > > ><< Send subscribe/unsubscribe/help requests to VBTech-request@ci*.co* >> > -- Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'.
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