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Hello Joel I am Glad to see so many divers coming out of the wood work to set things right.I am sure that the whole story will come out , I have never met most of you guys and the only connection I have with the wreck divers of the past are in Garys books.So you see I can not be the only one like this , there are others out there who can only go by what he writes.The more that you guys keep to yourself , the more he has to write about.I to have ask that question " how many friends does he have left" , are you one? What do you guys plan on doing? JT At 06:19 PM 11/26/99 -0500, Joel Silverstein wrote: >JT, > >I just finished Gary's book. At first I was pissed off, then i was >appreciative >of the chronicles, then I laughed. I wonder if Gary has any friends left, >did he >ever have any? Who knows. But on at least 6 of his stories his accounts are >way off. >He really only remembers what he remembers, maybe it's all the air diving >that has >affected long term memory, i don't know. In any event, he has taken many >authors liberties >in his tales, some are entertaining, some factual, some lies (or incomplete >memories). > >The Italian Trip 1993 (post Republic, pre Moyer Trip) > >Gary seems to leave out that I was right there in the galley at that table >during that >conversation. I was trying very hard to stay out of it. But in small >quarters its hard to. > >There were: Gary Gentile, Billy Deans, John Moyer, myself, in the galley >was Lisa Kral at >the other table was Capt Hank Garvin. > >Moyer was not "crew" on that trip he was there due to the upcoming trip he >had and was >doing some exploration with Billy Deans for the bell project, nevertheless >John did his >fair share of radar watches and lending a hand when needed. Gary was crew, >as such he was >under the rules of the Captain, so was I. Gary's words with Captain Janet >and Captain Hank >bordered on mutinous. She would have been well served to consider his >insubordination worthy >of relieving him of his duty. (She held that off till we were back at the >dock). Billy caught >hell and I got my share too for not getting up and leaving that conversation. > >The Italian divers were all quite competent and we were really not >concerned with their >abilities. Captain Hank made the very generous offer to get them some >artifacts so they did not >have to do any dives deeper than the promenade deck, which they were more >than happy to enjoy. >Granted we may have had an equipment problem with the chase boat but that was >inconsequential to the problem we had with Gary. His recantation of the >conversation and >what Captain Janet said is pure fiction. > >John and Billy were working up in the winter garden, if we needed to use >the chase boat it would have >been to go pick them up when the zep crapped out, fortunately it did not. > >Without spending a lot of time trying to remember a small insignificant >conversation >7 years ago, suffice to say that Captain Janet never told them (Gary, John, >Billy) that >the Italians can go fuck themselves, she told Billy and John that their >bell project was >secondary to this paid charter. What Janet did tell them was that they >could go fuck their bell project >that it was not part of this charter, if they wanted to go work that area >we could drop another line there. > >But she bent over backwards in dealing with these clients. We had some >language problems but nothing that >their English and my Italian (yes Jewish kids from Brooklyn can speak >Italian) were not able to solve. > >It is interesting how as i read Gary's Chronicles he has had many blow outs >with Captains over the years, and >one item that seems to always be an issue for him is the chase boat. It >made me wonder throughout the book was he >really concerned about the other divers or was he really only concerned >about himself? > >So now the score is simple about 5 to 1 in favor of the real story. Gary is >on the short end of this tale. > >Regards, > >Joel Silverstein > > >At 02:51 PM 11/26/99 EST, Wahoo2001@ao*.co* wrote: > >JT, you missed the count, there were 5 people at that incident, John Moyer, > >Gary Gentile, Billy Deans, Hank Garvin, Joel Silverstein and and six Janet > >Bieser. > >You seem to only want to see what you want. John Moyer said he cant > remember > >exactly and wrote that Janet said f--k the Italians. Joel Said in no way > did > >she say that and Hank Garvin said it didn't happen that way. so the > score is > >garys version John Moyer not sure, 11/2 for Gary and 2 for Janet side. I > >spoke with Billy Deans, both after the incident when I read him the riot > act > >for thinking Janet was supposed to place his and John Moyer and Garys >project > >above her responsibility to her charter people the Italian, they were the > >important people and Janet stated that VERY STERNLY to John Billy and > >Gary."f--k your Bell project my passenger come first" Billy will confirm > >this. Gary is a very shallow insecure person with a pen a paper. Remember > >Gary publishes his own books no one with publish them for him to write >about, > >"How I learned to ride a bike" or when I was a boy scout. Remember what I > >saying it will be your turn in the barrel if you ever diside to let Gary > out > >of your inside loop. Gary has no integrity. > >captain steve bielenda > >In a message dated 11/25/99 11:25:11 PM Eastern Standard Time, > >Wahooorg@ao*.co* writes: > > > ><< > > But to let you know the score here , out of the 4 people that heard >this , > > 2 said it happen , Janet says it didn't , the only one not to have said > > anything is Billy Deans.I do not think he will come out to answer this. > > Let it go Steve ! > > > > JT > > > > > ><< Send subscribe/unsubscribe/help requests to >VBTech-request@ci*.co* >> > > -- Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'.
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