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From: <bdi@wh*.ne*>
Date: Fri, 26 Nov 1999 01:11:02 +1100
To: techdiver@aquanaut.com
Subject: Re: Legalities of purging someone
At 01:31  25/11/99 , Esat Atikkan wrote:

>BillyW writes:
>
> > I use a seahornet first stages with oceanic alpha 
> > seconds on my deco cylinders.
>
> > I can, with one hand, cover the exhaust T and hit
> > the 
> > purge button. If you can't, change your reg or do
> > some
> > practice.


>Relevance of 1st stage to ability to cover exhaust T
>escapes me.

Me too, since I wouldn't stick a reg in MY mouth, seal 
the exhaust ports and hit the purge button. But Ms Karen 
suggested one hand operation couldn't be done. SO I 
grabbed a reg and tried it. Here's how.

The reg mouthpiece is pointing vertically down, my
left hand is palm down on top, covering the, er, cover. 
My thumb is wrapped around the exhaust ports. I squeeze
my hand to increase pressure on the purge button
and Pfffffftttttt! Gas out of the moutpiece with a small
bleed through the far port past the tip of my thumb. This
could be a good thing. I can actually get my index finger 
there though. The hardest part is typing one-handed while 
I'm doing it. but it blew the dust out of my keyboard.

>As for covering exhaust T & purging (@ < than full
>blast) - R U extending the neck & pinching the
>nostrils as well, or just circulating that blast of O2
>out the nostrils.  If doing so while maintaining full
>contact w/ the victim, then your dexterity is
>phenomenol.

I don;t have phenomenal dexterity, Esat, just an 
enquiring mind. I wnat to know how to get the 100% 02
I and the victim are carrying into the victim's
lungs ASAP without popping any alveoli.

Now I can work the reg one-handed, I'm on to figuring 
out how to orient myself and stay in contact with the 
victim.

I think I can figure how long to hit the purge for, 
(I tested it to see how long it takes to get a lungfull
  on me. I'd give it about 75% of that) SO I know how it 
should work with MY 02 reg. And I figure it's better to 
kick-start them with the reg if possible and then let 
them breath off it.

I also want to know the physical aspects of the 
nasal cavity and the back of the trhoat - how do
the nostrils work as a pressure-relief valve and
do I need to partially occlude them?

I have no argument with anyone except those who would
say NO per se (the two paramedics), without reference to 
the mechanics of doing it. Who decides the protocols 
THEY are capable of administering? They don't. WHy should 
they decide for me? Understand though, I think the
paramedics do a hell of a job at the very sharpest
end, and do it superbly.

I note that the copied extract from John Lippmann's 
comments indicates a problem area of lpm & overpressure
injuries. If one sees them as challenges instead of
prohibitions, then progress can be made. I just want
some creative input, not a rote-learned no. U must
appreci8 this more than most.

>Plz explain wh/ fingers R doing what exactly as I
>would like to try the technique

2 fingers of mi rite h& R typing & mi left h& is
purging the reg  PFFFFFFFFFFFFFT!!!!! oh there it goes 
again! This is gr8!


rgrdz 2U Es@        billyw



>TIA
>Safe bubbles
>
>Esat Atikkan
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