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see option 1 -----Original Message----- From: bigvon@be*.ne* <bigvon@be*.ne*> To: Jess Armantrout <armantrout@wo*.at*.ne*> Cc: techdiver@aquanaut.com <techdiver@aquanaut.com> Date: Wednesday, November 24, 1999 3:12 PM Subject: Re: its about going deep george >Jess That's great for you. Realistically how many of the multitude of tech >divers out there breath a .25 on a swimming dive with stages? One can be fit for >diving with moderate regular exercise and does not have to maintain an Olympic >workout to dive.What if your buddy's rate was more than your own? How do you >calculate your safety? >Von > >Jess Armantrout wrote: > >> I'm not a hoove. That is how I am safe. I run 40 miles a week, bike 100 >> and swim 6. My breathing rate in warm salty water on weenie dives like this >> is less than .25, and the student's was much better than that. (We did 100 >> minutes at 50 on a night dive and she used 1300 psi out of an 80...what's >> that, .13?). In a cave with steels and the additional task loading, my rate >> sky rockets to around .33, but that is scary diving. Also, we know how to >> deco, and don't spend all day. >> >> As I have mentioned to you previously, that you can not do these dives does >> not mean they can not be done safely. >> >> Jess >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: bigvon@be*.ne* <bigvon@be*.ne*> >> To: Jess Armantrout <armantrout@wo*.at*.ne*>; techdiver@aquanaut.com >> <techdiver@aquanaut.com> >> Date: Wednesday, November 24, 1999 1:44 PM >> Subject: Re: its about going deep george >> >> >Out of curiosity what was your mix and quantify for bottom gas and deco >> gas? >> >At 30 min there is significant deco at 300 feet. >> >How do you bring enough gas to be safe? >> > >> >I just got back from Cayman and the temp was around 79 to 80 on the bottom. >> >I would be in a sweat box in a dry suit . >> > >> >Bill >> > >> > >> > >> >Jess Armantrout wrote: >> > >> >> Von, >> >> you're grasping, buddy. I taught a trimix course in Cayman, several >> years >> >> ago, back when nitrox wasn't even legal there. We did 300's for 25 to 30 >> >> all week long. Ironically, my student was the safety officer for the >> CIWA, >> >> the organization banning Nitrox in Cayman. Since neither of us were >> hooves, >> >> we dove twin 80's and 40's for deco gas. We were swimming. We were >> diving >> >> wet. I dove a Halcyon 18 pound set of wings and no weight. >> >> >> >> WHAT'S THE BIG FUCKING DEAL!!!!????!!!!! >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> >> From: bigvon@be*.ne* <bigvon@be*.ne*> >> >> To: kirvine@sa*.ne* <kirvine@sa*.ne*> >> >> Cc: gordonjr <jrgordonsenior@em*.ms*.co*>; techdiver@aquanaut.com >> >> <techdiver@aquanaut.com> >> >> Date: Tuesday, November 23, 1999 11:23 PM >> >> Subject: Re: its about going deep george >> >> >> >> >Obviously George you have never made a deep dive in the summer in the >> >> Caribbean >> >> >or you would understand. >> >> >You still have not posted your tank/gas configuration diving wet w/out >> >> scooter at >> >> >300 much less 350, for 25 to 30 min.. >> >> >What are you so afraid of? >> >> >That there is an instant when DIR might not be exactly as the great >> George >> >> >Grapevine dictates? >> >> >DIR does work in most instances. However there might, just might be an >> >> >alternative that is safer for the longer exposures at depth. i.e. >> redundant >> >> bc' >> >> >for gas availability. >> >> >By the way, studies have shown that one long exposure may be safer than >> two >> >> >shorter ones. >> >> >Von >> >> >kirvine@sa*.ne* wrote: >> >> > >> >> >> Bill, you are not only dangerous ,you are an outright liar. There is >> no >> >> >> ocean on this planet where the water at "350" is warm. The Britannic >> is >> >> >> cold as would be expected at depth and warm at the surface as would be >> >> >> expected in the Mediteranean. Your original argument was that the Gulf >> >> >> is warm at the surface. The fact is you have no justification for >> >> >> dangerous stupidity. >> >> >> >> >> >> An unbalanced rig is open ocean the trademeark of a no-plan >> dillatante. >> >> >> This is so simple, and you do not get it. Convoluted stupidity to >> offset >> >> >> self-inflicted risk is not the answer. >> >> >> >> >> >> I will keep offsetting your nonsense and pointing out how wrong you >> are. >> >> >> The difference betwen you and the guys who did the Britannic is the >> >> >> diffrence between the real thing and bullshit. Jarrod is the real >> thing, >> >> >> you are a yapping pretender. >> >> >> >> >> >> Your other argument is that we do not "know wreck diving". Well, Big >> >> >> Time, that is obviously not the case, and the fact is that it makes no >> >> >> difference where the dive is, our methods are used by the successful >> >> >> divers, the bullshit is what the bullshitters use. You are in the >> latter >> >> >> category. >> >> >> >> >> >> bigvon@be*.ne* wrote: >> >> >> > >> >> >> > Like I said before George you are a master of misdirection. The >> >> discussion >> >> >> > was about deep warm water diving with steels without the use of a >> >> scooter.. >> >> >> > Not cold Britannic water with drysuits and scooters. >> >> >> > You still did not answer the question tough guy and I doubt you ever >> >> will. >> >> >> > Von >> >> >> > >> >> >> > kirvine@sa*.ne* wrote: >> >> >> > >> >> >> > > Von, why don't you stop by GUE and straighten Jarrod out. I tried >> to >> >> >> > > tell him that diving the Britannic in a drysuit was not the Von >> >> method, >> >> >> > > and that since he was beyond 300, he should have had steels and a >> >> >> > > wetsuit, a backwards bc, two bottom timers in case his arm got bit >> >> off >> >> >> > > by a shark, etc. >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > > Maybe you can come to a WKPP dive and tell me how to do more than >> a >> >> >> > > "bounce" dive, since I have very little experience with the kind >> of >> >> big >> >> >> > > bottom times you are doing, and show me about "exploring" and what >> I >> >> >> > > need to do in the way of "modifications " to accomplish these >> feats, >> >> >> > > short of the lobotomy is appears you forgot to tell us about. >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > > bigvon@be*.ne* wrote: >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> > > > I did laugh at THAT one. >> >> >> > > > I realize I am on the "DIR list", not techdiver. I will continue >> to >> >> >> > > > dive my way and you guys can stay above 300 and dive your way. >> No >> >> one >> >> >> > > > has addressed the deep issue. I am not advocating deep diving, >> just >> >> >> > > > commenting on a style that is safe. You WKPP guys keep bouncing >> the >> >> >> > > > wrecks and we will keep exploring them. >> >> >> > > > Von >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> > > > gordonjr wrote: >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> > > > Von, You place your backup wing on upside down, strap the >> >> >> > > > inflator to your waist strap, and orally inflate at waist >> >> >> > > > level?Hell, if I could do that I'd never leave the house >> >> >> > > > (credits to G.Carlin). JR Gordon "Just flip the BC over >> >> >> > > > and place it over the bolts as you do your primary B.C. >> >> >> > > > I loop a small loop of small bungie over the bottom bolt >> >> >> > > > before I assemble the >> >> >> > > > harness. This loop is placed over the power inflator >> >> >> > > > mechanism to secure it at >> >> >> > > > your right waist. There is no hose run to the inflator. >> Just >> >> >> > > > orally inflate if >> >> >> > > > needed." >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > > -- >> >> >> > > Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to >> >> `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. >> >> >> > > Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to >> >> `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'. >> >> > >> >> >-- >> >> >Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. >> >> >Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'. >> > > -- Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'.
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