no shit...I've seen 82 degrees at the surface and 50 at the bottom where you
are.

This guy just keeps grasping at straws.  Next he'll say, "but what about
diving lava tubes in Hawaii?" or "what about diving sewer pipes?  DIR won't
work there!"

whatever.  We've got guys doing this stuff everywhere.

Jess

-----Original Message-----
From: kirvine@sa*.ne* <kirvine@sa*.ne*>
To: Jess Armantrout <armantrout@wo*.at*.ne*>
Cc: bigvon@be*.ne* <bigvon@be*.ne*>; gordonjr
<jrgordonsenior@em*.ms*.co*>; techdiver@aquanaut.com
<techdiver@aquanaut.com>
Date: Wednesday, November 24, 1999 10:04 AM
Subject: Re: its about going deep george


>Jess, the difference is that you really do the dives and really know,
>"von", who is too much of a pussy to use his real name, does not.
>
>The other thing that a stroke like "von" fails to get ( and again it is
>a function of his not really being a player ) is that when you go out on
>a boat offshore and are attempting a 350 foot dive, you had better be
>prepared for the thermals to be anywhere deep, and dress accordingly.
>
>Jess Armantrout wrote:
>>
>> Von,
>> you're grasping, buddy.  I taught a trimix course in Cayman, several
years
>> ago, back when nitrox wasn't even legal there.  We did 300's for 25 to 30
>> all week long.  Ironically,  my student was the safety officer for the
CIWA,
>> the organization banning Nitrox in Cayman.  Since neither of us were
hooves,
>> we dove twin 80's and 40's for deco gas.  We were swimming.  We were
diving
>> wet.  I dove a Halcyon 18 pound set of wings and no weight.
>>
>> WHAT'S THE BIG FUCKING DEAL!!!!????!!!!!
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: bigvon@be*.ne* <bigvon@be*.ne*>
>> To: kirvine@sa*.ne* <kirvine@sa*.ne*>
>> Cc: gordonjr <jrgordonsenior@em*.ms*.co*>; techdiver@aquanaut.com
>> <techdiver@aquanaut.com>
>> Date: Tuesday, November 23, 1999 11:23 PM
>> Subject: Re: its about going deep george
>>
>> >Obviously George you have never made a deep dive in the summer in the
>> Caribbean
>> >or you would understand.
>> >You still have not posted your tank/gas configuration diving wet w/out
>> scooter at
>> >300 much less 350, for 25 to 30 min..
>> >What are you so afraid of?
>> >That there is an instant when DIR might not be exactly as the great
George
>> >Grapevine dictates?
>> >DIR does work in most instances. However there might, just might be an
>> >alternative that is safer for the longer exposures at depth. i.e.
redundant
>> bc'
>> >for gas availability.
>> >By the way, studies have shown that one long exposure may be safer than
two
>> >shorter ones.
>> >Von
>> >kirvine@sa*.ne* wrote:
>> >
>> >> Bill, you are not only dangerous ,you are an outright liar. There is
no
>> >> ocean on this planet where the water at "350" is warm. The Britannic
is
>> >> cold as would be expected at depth and warm at the surface as would be
>> >> expected in the Mediteranean. Your original argument was that the Gulf
>> >> is warm at the surface. The fact is you have no justification for
>> >> dangerous stupidity.
>> >>
>> >> An unbalanced rig is open ocean the trademeark of a no-plan
dillatante.
>> >> This is so simple, and you do not get it. Convoluted stupidity to
offset
>> >> self-inflicted risk is not the answer.
>> >>
>> >> I will keep offsetting your nonsense and pointing out how wrong you
are.
>> >> The difference betwen you and the guys who did the Britannic is the
>> >> diffrence between the real thing and bullshit. Jarrod is the real
thing,
>> >> you are a yapping pretender.
>> >>
>> >> Your other argument is that we do not "know wreck diving". Well, Big
>> >> Time, that is obviously not the case, and the fact is that it makes no
>> >> difference where the dive is, our methods are used by the successful
>> >> divers, the bullshit is what the bullshitters use. You are in the
latter
>> >> category.
>> >>
>> >> bigvon@be*.ne* wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> > Like I said before George you are a master of misdirection. The
>> discussion
>> >> > was about deep warm water diving with steels without the use of a
>> scooter..
>> >> > Not cold Britannic water with drysuits and scooters.
>> >> > You still did not answer the question tough guy and I doubt you ever
>> will.
>> >> > Von
>> >> >
>> >> > kirvine@sa*.ne* wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> > > Von, why don't you stop by GUE and straighten Jarrod out. I tried
to
>> >> > > tell him that diving the Britannic in a drysuit was not the Von
>> method,
>> >> > > and that since he was beyond 300, he should have had steels and a
>> >> > > wetsuit, a backwards bc, two bottom timers in case his arm got bit
>> off
>> >> > > by a shark, etc.
>> >> > >
>> >> > > Maybe you can come to a WKPP dive and tell me how to do more than
a
>> >> > > "bounce" dive, since I have very little experience with the kind
of
>> big
>> >> > > bottom times you are doing, and show me about "exploring" and what
I
>> >> > > need to do in the way of "modifications " to accomplish these
feats,
>> >> > > short of the lobotomy is appears you forgot to tell us about.
>> >> > >
>> >> > > bigvon@be*.ne* wrote:
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > > I did laugh at THAT one.
>> >> > > > I realize I am on the "DIR list", not techdiver. I will continue
to
>> >> > > > dive my way and you guys can stay above 300 and dive your way.
No
>> one
>> >> > > > has addressed the deep issue. I am not advocating deep diving,
just
>> >> > > > commenting on a style that is safe. You WKPP guys keep bouncing
the
>> >> > > > wrecks and we will keep exploring them.
>> >> > > > Von
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > > gordonjr wrote:
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > >      Von, You place your backup wing on upside down, strap the
>> >> > > >      inflator to your waist strap, and orally inflate at waist
>> >> > > >      level?Hell, if I could do that I'd never leave the house
>> >> > > >      (credits to G.Carlin). JR Gordon   "Just flip the BC over
>> >> > > >      and place it over the bolts as you do your primary B.C.
>> >> > > >      I loop a small loop of small bungie over the bottom bolt
>> >> > > >      before I assemble the
>> >> > > >      harness. This loop is placed over the  power inflator
>> >> > > >      mechanism to secure it at
>> >> > > >      your right waist. There is no hose run to the inflator.
Just
>> >> > > >      orally inflate if
>> >> > > >      needed."
>> >> > >
>> >> > > --
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