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From: <kirvine@sa*.ne*>
Date: Tue, 23 Nov 1999 05:48:53 -0500
To: bigvon@be*.ne*
CC: gordonjr <jrgordonsenior@em*.ms*.co*>, techdiver@aquanaut.com
Subject: Re: its about going deep george
Bill, you are not only dangerous ,you are an outright liar. There is no
ocean on this planet where the water at "350" is warm. The Britannic is
cold as would be expected at depth and warm at the surface as would be
expected in the Mediteranean. Your original argument was that the Gulf
is warm at the surface. The fact is you have no justification for
dangerous stupidity.

An unbalanced rig is open ocean the trademeark of a no-plan dillatante.
This is so simple, and you do not get it. Convoluted stupidity to offset
self-inflicted risk is not the answer. 

I will keep offsetting your nonsense and pointing out how wrong you are.
The difference betwen you and the guys who did the Britannic is the
diffrence between the real thing and bullshit. Jarrod is the real thing,
you are a yapping pretender.

Your other argument is that we do not "know wreck diving". Well, Big
Time, that is obviously not the case, and the fact is that it makes no
difference where the dive is, our methods are used by the successful
divers, the bullshit is what the bullshitters use. You are in the latter
category.

bigvon@be*.ne* wrote:
> 
> Like I said before George you are a master of misdirection. The discussion
> was about deep warm water diving with steels without the use of a scooter..
> Not cold Britannic water with drysuits and scooters.
> You still did not answer the question tough guy and I doubt you ever will.
> Von
> 
> kirvine@sa*.ne* wrote:
> 
> > Von, why don't you stop by GUE and straighten Jarrod out. I tried to
> > tell him that diving the Britannic in a drysuit was not the Von method,
> > and that since he was beyond 300, he should have had steels and a
> > wetsuit, a backwards bc, two bottom timers in case his arm got bit off
> > by a shark, etc.
> >
> > Maybe you can come to a WKPP dive and tell me how to do more than a
> > "bounce" dive, since I have very little experience with the kind of big
> > bottom times you are doing, and show me about "exploring" and what I
> > need to do in the way of "modifications " to accomplish these feats,
> > short of the lobotomy is appears you forgot to tell us about.
> >
> > bigvon@be*.ne* wrote:
> > >
> > > I did laugh at THAT one.
> > > I realize I am on the "DIR list", not techdiver. I will continue to
> > > dive my way and you guys can stay above 300 and dive your way. No one
> > > has addressed the deep issue. I am not advocating deep diving, just
> > > commenting on a style that is safe. You WKPP guys keep bouncing the
> > > wrecks and we will keep exploring them.
> > > Von
> > >
> > > gordonjr wrote:
> > >
> > >      Von, You place your backup wing on upside down, strap the
> > >      inflator to your waist strap, and orally inflate at waist
> > >      level?Hell, if I could do that I'd never leave the house
> > >      (credits to G.Carlin). JR Gordon   "Just flip the BC over
> > >      and place it over the bolts as you do your primary B.C.
> > >      I loop a small loop of small bungie over the bottom bolt
> > >      before I assemble the
> > >      harness. This loop is placed over the  power inflator
> > >      mechanism to secure it at
> > >      your right waist. There is no hose run to the inflator. Just
> > >      orally inflate if
> > >      needed."
> >
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