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George You should have been a lawyer....we get paid per word. But I just want to clarify your post. kirvine@sa*.ne* wrote: > Safe? Overweighted is safe? Not understanding the simples facts of > buoyanacy is safe? Not understanding decompression is safe? Doing 30 > minutes at "350" in the Gulf of Mexico is safe ? Plastering yourself > with gear is safe? > If you call sufficient gas to safely make the dive, I am guilty as charged. The bottom line is that you WOULD NOT make these dives because your system does not address the gear needed to make 300' + dives for more than a bounce ..And that's fine if that is what you want to do. We want more time due to the expense, time, and distance to the wrecks. We do not have the luxury of deep wrecks 2 miles off the coast as in Lauderdale. > > The fact is you are dead wrong on all counts. Either wear a shell > drysuit - and use the appropriate insulation, or use the 80's and a > wetsuit. If you want to conserve backgas, take an 80 stage. This is no > different than the volume of a set of 104's. I do not see where you > can't figure that one out. The 40 cu deco gases are all that is needed > and is far more effective and convenient . It seems that anyone who > really does this now knows it and uses these tanks which have been > around far longer than any other samll tank. > George I posted the gas requirements for YOUR 25 min @ 300'. You still did not give me your tank and gas setup.......wonder why? Because your tank set up just won't cut it. By the way this is not a matter of what YOU use. This is techdiver and what most people use. > > We are not carrying deco gas for the world ,we have a boat and crew > that has the spares above. This is not "every man for himself diving", > and would be a nightmare in your double steels with wetsuit , multiple > wings and other mutliple gear duplicates, and muslitple 80 and steel > oxygen deco bottles - this is a cluster. Telling peolpe how to do unsafe > things in an unsafe manner is not what this list is about. > That is your contingency planning? Your "spare gas " is in the boat? Does that include the deco gas necessary for the dive? Once again I ask post your tank and gas requirements. The each man for himself syndrome applies to you. I am carrying reserves. How about you? By the way I could make this dive safely on steels on the back and two aluminum's. So do not attempt another effort at misdirection by stating falsely what I wear. > > You have no business speculating about my diving when everyone knows I > have done the ocean stuff for years and have never had a problem - ask > around. There were no big steel tanks when we started other than 104's > whic are way too heavy and obviously so for wetsuit diving, and other > than one time diving with Hank Garvin and one time diving to recover a > body, I can't remember ever using them in the ocean, and did so with a > drysuit, and the fact is that I have done all of the most ridiculously > deep wrecks out here in response to a Broward County request for > information on the 200 or so objects seen on a side scan sonar they had > commissioned. Ask Bill Deans who buoyed the Kenrick and dove it twice > in the same day on the same set of aluminum 80s and the same 40 cu ft > deco bottles? Raimo was on the boat , ask him. Hello, Von, this is a > reality check. More is not better, unless you are talking common sense. > We make one long dive rather than two bounces. > If you have a gas consumption problem shorten the dive. There is no way > you can tell me that you have some horrifying breathing rate and need > more bottom gas, and then turn around and tell me that you will have > "more reserve " than me in back gas and deco gas????????????? Von, I am > not going to buy this one. You are assuming I am stroke thinker - this > is not the case - I call my dives at turn, I do not suck the tanks dry. > It makes no difference what tanks I use - I turn at turn, and I do not > dive with hoovers and strokes or wihtout a complete plan. > Give your swimming rates superman. > > You DO NOT know what DIR is in any sense or we would not be having this > conversation. You have no business commenting on it. I have no interest > in your opinion of what works in a cave dive - you do not cave dive by > my definition, and have zero business discussing it in public and > holding yourself up as an expert - you are not even a good amateur. I am > not even remotely interested in your exaggerations and huffing and > puffing about your once in a blue moon dive on the Ozark , which is not > a 350 profile, I am more interested in coutering the slop you put out in > case anyone actually believes that you know what you are talking about > - you clearly do not, and you have no business even dicussing my diving, > or making any recommendation about diving to anyone else. > A master of misdirection. Never commented on cave diving. and never said Ozark was anything other than 335. At least try to argue the same issues george. > > As lawyer, you should be well aware that this is nuts on your part, and > you should consider the numerous cases of overwheighting deaths out > there, and you should check and see what lawsuits are on the table right > this mihnute in this regard. I can understand you not knowing jack shit > obout diving, but you said you were a lawyer, and here you go making > that look like an exaggeration as well. > > Everyone knows what I do and everyone knows my track record despite the > best efforts of guys like you ,and the trainning agencies to discredit > that . You have no track reocrd of anything but about 30 ridiculous one > liner posts and personal attacks on me, interspersed with some of the > most lame reasoning and diregard for the obvious that I have ever seen. > Then why don't you answer MY questions? That is be cause your answers will be lame. > > Try arguing any of this without the personal attacks on me - try making > sense while you are at it. Try showing a system and a plan , not a > reaction to self-induced phobias applied to exaggerateed bullshit. try > actually doing what we do and then come back and tell me I do not know > what I am talking about. Contempt prior to investigation - that is your > MO. I am not going away and will stay on you and yours as long as it > takes to counter your efforts to get people to do really stupid things > like overweight themselves and stack up a pile of bc's to try to counter > it - to stipid for words, and an perfect example of not being able to > grasp the obvious. > God George! As the master of personal attacks are you asking that we introduce civility into these discussions? Things must be changing! I have posted the facts of the dives. I have posted the tanks we use. Your turn...... Step up to the plate george and give us facts not hyperbole. > > By the way, only the worst stroke would get on here yapping like "let';s > see you do 350 for 30" - come on, not only is this what is "dead" wrong > in tech diving , this is evidence that you are not able to get it > because you what we are talking about . > Since you will not respond to simple questions this was the only way to make you put up, or shut up. So far all I have gotten is insults. > > Look at the title of your post - this says it all about you - the > pluperfect stroke who thinks "it is all about deep". "Von" you are what > we need to showcase as "TO BE AVOIDED " in every sense from attitude to > Z in my opinion. > > It's all about doing it right , safely , having fun and not getting > killed. Strokes are why we have a problem , and that starts with > attitude. Safely doing it right IS my system. Von -- Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'.
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