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Smallvon - On deep dives, why aren't you using a drysuit like the rest of planet? Does your body fat insulate you for any thermal considerations whatsoever? At 08:22 PM 11/17/1999 +0000, you wrote: >George >you STILL do not get it. >Our little discussion centers around your alleged DIR technique in deep ocean >dives, nothing less and nothing more. (In spite of your constant whining). >I don't care what you can or can't do. >Just show up on a DEEP ocean dive of 25 to 30 min duration in your >eighties and >forties and then we will see who is laughing. >I am sure if a problem develops, I will see your equipment streaming by me >as it >sinks to the bottom and I will laugh as I watch you struggle to stay level >at your >20' stop with empty tanks. >I on the other hand will calmly orally inflate my spare BC and laugh my >head off >as I float at 20 feet. >By the way I agree with DIR in caves and intermediate ocean. But for deep >dives. >sorry you gotta be safe. >Von > > >kirvine@sa*.ne* wrote: > > > Dan, this guy is desperately hoping that we do not actually dive, for > > some reason. I am so sick of hearing how I do not undersatnd this or > > that or how I do not do this or that. Why do these guys thing we hold > > all the records if we are so incompetent in their minds? > > > > I am also so sick of these guys badmouthing me, attacking me, lying > > about me and then claiming some moral high ground in doing so - this is > > the personal preference mindset in action - it is ok for rookies and > > idiots to attack me, but not ok for me to point out dangerous stupidty > > and explain why. > > > > It is somehow worthless for me to put out real life situations and > > solutions and ok for some asshole rookie to "suppose" and "guess" how > > soemthing should be done. Why do these people think the Navy comes and > > studies our techniques to apply in warfare? I can answer that - because > > we have the best record for REAL LIFE ACTION. > > > > Somehow I am supposed to be nice since I am some "famous diver" - the > > only diffrence between me and everyone else out there is that I have put > > a little extra effort into gathering information, have done what that > > information said to do, have seen the handwriting on the wall and so > > have taken an organization that was passed on to me in the belief that I > > could make it fly and turned it into a fixture that has given us long > > term access while others have squandered access for all of you and made > > the sport look bad. > > > > Why is it that the WKPP has thousands of man dive hours of long range > > deep mixed gas cave exploration dives without incident and the same guys > > can go smoke the Britannic and film inside like it was a swimming pool > > and the rest of the big mouthed strokes out there just can't get that > > job done? > > > > Why are we the ones who put out the films, the websites, the manuals, > > the training organizions tha do not compromise, the stories, articles > > and books on this that have no profit motive and are nothing more than > > an effort to make it better for everyone and give back what was given to > > us? > > > > Dan Volker wrote: > > > > > > Bigvon, > > > > > > You are laboring under a few major misconceptions; > > > 1.George does far more ocean dives on deep wrecks and deep reefs than he > > > does cave dives. > > > 2. On many of these dives scooters are NOT USED, particularly on our deep > > > spearfishing dives. > > > 3. One set of double 80's and one 40 ft stage of 50/50 Nitrox is all we > > > would typically need, since we don't share your massive requirement > for huge > > > deco on short 23 to 25 minute dives ( actual bottom time) . > > > 4. If you were to attempt to dive with George and I on the deep Jupiter > > > ledge ( 180 to 240), or any other good spearfishing ledge at depths > ranging > > > from 200 to 260, there is no way you would be able to even keep us in > sight. > > > We would be swimming easily at hunting pace. You would be gasping for > air at > > > emergency speed( for you), and losing ground every minute. After 5 to 10 > > > minutes, you and your buddy would no longer have us in view, and to add > > > insult to injury, if you attempted this, you would most likely be in > severe > > > danger from an enormous CO2 buildup, even with Trimix. Beyond that, your > > > next danger would be having enough gas to make it back to the > surface, since > > > 10 minutes of following us would most likely leave you with less than 500 > > > psi in your backgas. For this reason, if we were to allow you to make > this > > > futile attempt, we would have to have another WKPP diver accompanying you > > > and your buddy by scooter, dragging 3 or 4 stages to cover the almost > > > certain OOA scenario you would foolishly fall into. > > > 5. If you want to try swimming dives with us, you better be doing at > least > > > 40 miles per day on a bike, and getting your bodyfat down to at least > > > "average" levels. This type of training allows George or I to keep up > with > > > scooter divers if we desire, using fins and good technique. When you can > > > keep up with Gavins or Makos, using just your own power, maybe then > you can > > > attempt to dive with us. > > > > > > Regards, > > > Dan Volker > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: bigvon@be*.ne* [mailto:bigvon@be*.ne*] > > > Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 1999 4:05 AM > > > To: techdiver@aquanaut.com > > > Subject: Re: He who laughs last, laughs best. > > > > > > kirvine@sa*.ne* wrote: > > > > > > > Von, .6 breathing rate - you do not need to be down there - you need a > > > > respatory theapist. You has no business even using the word "swimming" > > > > in a sentence with my name. I am a Masters swimmer , you moron, and > > > > would quit diving if I had a swimming breathing rate of .6 at any > speed. > > > > I am starting to see what the big beef is here - it is YOU - explains > > > > the tank size phobia and the deco nonsense all in one. Let m,e suggest > > > > yoi buy a pair of running shoes and store them in your mouth when you > > > > are not using them. > > > > > > > > > > I forgot that you are SUPERMAN, able to hold your breath for 25 > min.so the > > > gas in your > > > tanks is for your buddy. > > > > > > Mr BIGSHOT what is your swimming and deco rate? That will be a laugh. > > > > > > > You obviosly do not understand drysuit insulation, and you obviously do > > > > not understand decompression, you do not understand simple weighting, > > > > and you obviously do not understand anything I said. You obvoiusly do > > > > not do these dives. You are talking out of your ass again. Tehr aer > > > > several weigths of insulation, and what we sue in the ocean dwon > here is > > > > the C-2, whcih has enough lifrt to hod the tanks, is enough to deal > with > > > > cold for a shorrt exposre, and is perfect for deco . In the height of > > > > sumer, when the last four feet of water is "87 degrees", this is not a > > > > problem since we are mostly in cooler water, and if you were really > > > > doing the big bottom times and hangs yoo claim you would find that the > > > > dryusuit covers all the teamps quite well, in addition to balancing out > > > > the steel tanks if that is what you need to supply your fat ass for > > > > these little dives. The fact is that no "overheating" occurs. > > > > > > > > > > Try it george, you will see. This is not a hole in the ground, its > the OCEAN > > > moron. > > > > > > > > > > > Also if you were not talking out of your ass and really had any > > > > experience, which you do not, you would know that in the summer > there is > > > > frequently a severe thermals below 150 feet, and this will ruin your > > > > dive unless you have come preparred, but then you do not do it > enough to > > > > know that, do you "Big Von"? I do it enough to not waste my time > showing > > > > up with insufficient gear capabilities, not to mention doing dives with > > > > an unbalnced rig to offset ignorance, stupidity, and fat slobbery - it > > > > just makes it worse, guy. > > > > > > > > It is really apparent to me that you are not capable of understanding > > > > anything I am saying, and that you pick up little disjointed bits and > > > > pieces from other situations and mix them together , resulting in the > > > > slop you twisted out here. > > > > > > > > What is really appalling is that not only do you use tanks that have a > > > > huge weight disadvantage while providing little additional gas over the > > > > 80's with stage, you obvoiusly cary huge deco tanks as well, yet do mot > > > > see the problem with that stupidity in the overall initial weighing or > > > > drag profile. You say that this is more effecient than my method of > > > > using 40's????????????? > > > > > > > > > > You are a master of misdirection. Look at my post. I can do that dive > safely > > > with Steel > > > back tanks (with a reserve you idiot.) and alum stages. > > > > > > > You have so little understdning of deco that you really believe > that all > > > > of that gas must be carried - the deco can be done without the > oxygen if > > > > that is necessary, but you do not know that , do you? ( obviously). You > > > > have all these big ideas about doing these big tough guy 12" dick dives > > > > that you think will impress everyone, yet you have not the tiniest > > > > undersanding of dive logisitcs and boat logistics, or safety. > > > > > > > > > > You obviously do not believe in contingency planning. > > > Leave out the oxygen and watch what happens to your time in water > and gas > > > requirements. > > > This is the dumbest thing you have put out on this list. > > > > > > > No wonder the New England wreck divers make fun of Florida divers - all > > > > they see is strokes like you yapping about crap like the Ozark that > > > > every bozo in the State has been out to show his manhood on like the > > > > Wilkesbarre in Key West or the bullshit in Pompano. > > > > > > > > > > Tell you what tough guy. Mix your eighties and forties and we will > meet for > > > a dive on > > > the Ozark. 25 to 30 min bottom time. When the dive is over we will > see who > > > has a > > > sufficient reserve for safety. The loser pays the charter fee. > > > > > > Von > > > > > > > Bigvon@be*.ne* wrote: > > > > > > > > > > George you STILL did not answer my question. Therefore I will > clarify it > > > for you: > > > > > > > > > > k > > > > > > -- > > > Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. > > > Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'. > > > > > > -- > > > Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. > > > Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'. > >-- >Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. >Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'. ---------------------------------- Kevin Connell <kevin@nw*.co*> NW Labor Systems, Inc http://www.nwls.com ---------------------------------- -- Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'.
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