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Dave, Its not caffeine. Does your computer keyboard have a delete key? What you, and it would seem, a number of other Europeans don't grasp is very simple: For the last, what 3,000 years, *you* cant get along. In the last hundred years, there have been *both* world wars on *your* turf. Not ours. You people start wars "over there", and we get invited or forced to get involved. A good portion of these "conflicts" are born of the apathy that so many reflected in their messages here and in private e-mail. People who are "praying for peace" look the other way while things like the Holocaust, Bosnia, Kosovo and Chechnya grow. The whole time, *you* Europeans are telling *us* to butt out. Until the situation is out of control, then *you* scream at *us* to do something. We don't start the wars, in isn't on our land, we just fight, die, bring home our dead and bury them. Its not "whatever or whoever." We don't ask for a lot. We ask that you try and get along and respect simple common human rights. Chechnya and Bosnia, Serbia, Pakistan, Afghanistan, etc are fine examples of how well that is working, and how little help you need from us. Truth be known, you have all been living free under the umbrella of US protection via our nuclear stockpile. You think Stalin stopped because he didn't want to control any more countries? Because his belly was full? He stopped because when he looked over the fence, he saw not only Europeans, but Americans and their nukes, and he realized what the price would be. Freedom is not free. I made a simple post, asking a moment of remembrance for those who fought and died, and to note the 224th birthday of the USMC. I included a chant. It is a chant used by shit scared 18 to 20 year old kids as they try to prepare themselves for a walk through Hell. Quite often, in the last century, the Hell they are walking through is *yours*. No one, least of all the men who have to fight it, glorifies or wants a war. So, when *you* "Eurocentric" weenies pitch a bitch, because I dared to post, *us* Americans kind of take offense (what a bunch of pricks!), and gather the wagons. I guess we are just narrow minded that way. The way we see it is this: Ours fought and died "over there" so that I have the freedom to make the post, and so that you, (if you are really that low class, stupid, shortsighted, selfish, irreverent, ungrateful and ignorant) can bitch about what started out as a simple post. *We* know it wont be long until *you* Europeans have reason to ask for our help and blood. Again. And we will be there. Again. To fight for your freedom and ours. Again. WTF do you think would happen if we closed the purse strings to all foreign aid? Pulled all our assets out of Europe, and just let you sort it out yourselves? Not a pretty picture. So, S2, and show a *little* respect. It was *earned.* While you are dreaming about world peace, remember that its a dream. Reality is quite different. Scott BTW, anyone that would care to post the birthday of the Royal Marines, on their day, will get a much different response from *us* Americans, I guarantee it. *We* are that way. ----- Original Message ----- From: Dave Lund <Dave@lu*.pr*.co*.uk*> To: <techdiver@aquanaut.com> Sent: Thursday, November 11, 1999 5:25 PM Subject: Re: [Re: Happy Birthday Marines!!] > Bob > > Just where in the post did I give any indication of disrespect or lack of > honour for the US, the US marines, or the military in general, or indeed to > whoever or whatever it is that provides 'freedom'? I stated my > acknowledgement that the birthday and the corps were important to many. > However, my 'honour' is directed at more European centric things, and > indeed, more UK centric, which I'll be glad to post on techdiver if you > really want me to. What do you mean you're not interested - surely you must > be, since you demand everyone be passionately supportive of the US centric > equivalents. I did write that I honour and respect UK fallen, and indeed I > now amplify that to all fallen and injured in all conflicts. Fighting for > the politics and values of ones country is often admirable, although not > always from all viewpoints. I simply suggested if we all publicized all the > dates we personally hold reverent, there would be significant numbers of > unnecessary and largely irrelevant posts. > > Did you actually read the post, anyway?. Don't worry, you're not alone if > you didn't, many of your compatriots who bounded privately to attack me > with some physically demanding and potentially biologically impossible > suggestions certainly did not read it. It seems I really touched a raw > nerve with some of you. Tut. Very touchy, some of you really need to cut > down on the caffeine. Don't you know it's for spraying on keyboards, not > actually drinking. Anyway, I won't be following any of these suggestions , > you'll all be pleased to hear. Do you guys really do this stuff? It's > certainly an alternative use for an EE canister light, but I'll stick to > using mine for diving, thanks :-) > > Dave > > At 15:45 11/11/99 -0500, Bob Hines wrote: > >Dave, > > > >Just because you don't want to honor those who provide your freedom dosn't > >mean that we can't If our honor of those who sacrifced in the name of freedom > >makes you upset "TOO FUCKING BAD" > > > >Bob Hines - Marine. > > > >____________________________________________________________________ > >Get free email and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com/?N=1 > >-- > >Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. > >Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'. > > > -- > Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. > Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'. -- Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. 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