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From: <kirvine@sa*.ne*>
Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1999 07:58:19 -0500
To: Cam Banks <cam_banks@ho*.co*>
CC: DSmith@sp*.ut*.tm*.ed*, techdiver@aquanaut.com
Subject: Re: DIR bits & pieces
Geez, Cam, take the cotton out of your ears - the undroppable is a
drysuit OFFSET ONLY. Will you please re-read what I said and stop
screwing it up completely.

Again, the perfect example is 104's - the insulation under the shell
suit is about what it takes to hold them up full of trimix. The light (
or other droppable weight) adds the weight needed to hold the DOWN
empty. Can you get that or do you want me to go to Braille?

Am I some kind of complete idiot or are you twisting what I am saying?
Can somebody else help out here ? Saying the same thing over and over is
not working for me.

Cam Banks wrote:
> 
> I guess that's what I'm trying to figure out; if it's okay to go with weight
> that is completely undroppable.  It's kind of scary to make that final step
> away from the conventional "drop your weights" training.
> 
> Let's see, what scenario would undroppable weights be bad in?  I'm on the
> surface, in distress, out of air?  I could probably get out of the rig
> entirely almost as easily as do a two-step belt drop.  I'm on the bottom,
> OOA and need to make an emergency buoyant ascent?  Same answer?  Hell, I
> don't know...  Any input welcome.
> 
> Cam
> 
> >From: "Smith, Dave" <DSmith@sp*.ut*.tm*.ed*>
> >To: 'Cam Banks' <cam_banks@ho*.co*>
> >Subject: RE: DIR bits & pieces
> >Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1999 19:02:35 -0600
> >
> >Cam --
> >
> >Other arm is fine. George mentioned once that he does it that way.
> >
> >Integrated weights aren't DIR because:
> >1. If you are weighted right, you don't need to drop weight so you don't
> >need the quick release mechanism.
> >2. If you need to drop weight, a weight belt with a metal buckle is a
> >mechanism anyone can operate, the quick release is different on every BC.
> >Not good if you're doing a rescue and the mechanism isn't obvious. Also not
> >good if it's you being rescued, you're unconscious, and your rescuer
> >doesn't
> >know the mechanism.
> >3. KISS: A weight belt with a metal buckle is far less failure prone than
> >the integrated mechanisms.
> >
> >
> >Everyone with integrated weights tells me they like them because they
> >aren't
> >as noticeable as 35-40 lbs on a belt (= me in my drysuit and a rental AL80
> >in Monterey, since I fly out from Houston). I avoid temptation by sticking
> >to my backplate, harness and weight belt.
> >
> >
> >As in all things I ever say, If you hear something different from WKPP then
> >listen to them and not me.
> >
> >Regards
> >Dave Smith
> >U Tx School of Public Health
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: Cam Banks [mailto:cam_banks@ho*.co*]
> >Sent: Tuesday, November 09, 1999 10:05 AM
> >To: techdiver@aquanaut.com
> >Subject: DIR bits & pieces
> >
> >
> >So, the DIR spot for my compass is on my arm?  I can barely get my
> >computer/bottom timer strap over my drysuit above the glove.  Is it okay to
> >wear the compass on the other arm?  Most days in Monterey, I need the
> >compass, unfortunately.
> >
> >Weights: why are the Halcyon ACB pockets not-DIR?  (I hate non-integrated
> >weights)
> >
> >Solo Diving: if you're diving solo, non-DIR by definition I know, what
> >changes should be made?  Besides getting a buddy.  Thanks.
> >
> >Cam
> >
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