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Karen, "with all due respect", if you rig the thing properly in the first place, this is NOT and issue. It will come off quite easily. I am also assuming that the diver is CORRECTLY weighted, and not in steel tanks with a wetsuit which would imply the need to overinflate his bc JUST to hold him afloat and therefore make it very hard to get the rig off without a blowtorch, or that you know how to pop a neckseal to relieve a blown-up drysuit. I am not talking idiots and strokes, I am talking people who have DIR'd it from the get-go. I am not interested in how to manage a self-imposed Charlie Foxtrot, or how to "fix" some ill-conceived mess. I also do not carry a five gallon gas tank on the seat of my car in case I run out - I generally put the gas in the main tank. I saw Jablonski take a drowned diver from 120 feet to the surface after traversing 200 horizontal feet of overhead, STRIP his DIR ( 104's ) rig from him and get him breathing on the surface with no problem. Bill Mee and I blew him with oxygen straight from a reg ( I don't do "rescue breaths" on puking victims , I use the reg and power inflate them). Karen, I do not have time to discuss why doing things like a goober is stupid. Sorry. You screw up your whole rig with a Q/R, and be a stroke, but we do not allow it in our game, and we do not have to. That part I really like, and again, with all due respect, I just do not have time for this right now. Do whatever you think is correct, and when that is not cutting it, take the cotton out of your ears and look at the WHOLE system and see what we see so clearly. WKPP is back diving, La Nina is making this possible, and for the next three months that is all I have time for and all I care about. Talk to me then, or call me on the phone if you really want to learn something. If you just want to argue, do it away from me. I am not being a prick, I am just focused on WKPP for now and do not care what the rest of the world is doing at the moment, no matter how ridiculous it is. And I do mean you can call me anytime - I can tell you in seconds what takes me a week to write and have it make a lot more sense in a lot more detail. Otherwise I don't think you will hear much of anything out of the US WKPP or GUE contingents right now with everyone scrambling to put our projects back on track now that Leon Sinks, Wakulla and the rest are clearing. By the way, Karen, Q/R's don't necessarily "fail", they get opened by accident, and then you have a problem. What you have done is gravitated to the lowest common denominator of diving, and are now trying to use that to argue with me. That is not "abusive", it is self-abuse on your part. Again, a Q/R is an solution to a self-imposed problem of some other kind, that causes more problems of safety that multiply as the cicumstances become more severe , and often preclude proper operation and positioning of the rest of the gear, and in a nuctshell are the trademark of a stroke - like having one of those tatoos that could only have been gotten in a drunken stupor. You've seen those, right? That's what you look like to me when I see a Q/R or other talisman or amulet of abject stupidity and ignorance on somebody's dive gear. Call me if you want info, otherwise move on. I'm done until the water goes dark again other than on my own list. There are tons of people on here who know what they are talking about and have the logic perfect, like Billy Williams for instance. He can articulate any of this a lot better than I can, as can a lot of these guys. Let me just leave you with this - if the best in the game do it one way, and the worst do it another, who are you going to want to get your info from? The pros who do it and get the job done with extreme results, or the yip-yappers who do jack? Consider your sources. Karen Nakamura wrote: > > George - > > With all due respect, I wonder if we can't continue this conversation a bit > further. > > One aspect where open water diving differs from cave diving is the > possibility of surfacing with an unconscious buddy far away from the boat or > land. In the LGS rescue course I took, we learned how to quickly strip the > unconscious diver of his/her gear and tow them in the do-si-do position back > to safety (while possibly applying rescue breathing). > > In a cave and/or underwater, yes you can flip the BC over the unconscious > diver's head, but in open water, the best option is to get them to the > surface as quickly as possible in order to ascertain ABCs and proceed to > rescue breathing if necessary. > > It's extremely difficult to strip a BC off an unconscious diver if they > don't have quick-releases and/or they're wearing a dry suit. The standard > method (without quick-releases) is to "chicken wing" their hands through the > shoulder harness opening, but if they have dry glove cuffs on, this could be > problematic. > > Could you give me examples where a quick release was more harm than help? I > haven't heard of a quick release failing in the field, but you undoubtedly > have more experience and would appreciate you sharing that with us. > > Karen Nakamura > > ps. nonabusive replies are always appreciated, as well. > > > Flip it off over your head forward - same for doubles, same for > > anything, same for a regular BC, etc. Believe it or not, the basics > > still work in diving when the word "tech" is used, and in fact, are what > > keep you alive. > > > > A "quick release" on a harness is ridiculous. Not only is it a risk > > while diving, it impedes correct placement of the rest of the gear. We > > do not allow them on any dive gear used in any WKPP dives, if that tells > > you anything. > > > > Any unnecesary convolution or accommodation to one percieved problem > > while not considering the whole picture is an automatic reject. -- Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. 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