At 11:08 AM 11/2/99 -0500, you wrote:
>JT, when Genitile came down here to try to learn to cave dive, he wore
>his pony in the cave. So he does not understand the dual outlet
>manifold, so he does not understand our methods. Who cares? He had to be
>taught buoyancy control. So what. Nobody was paying any attention and
>could care less.

I can not speak for Gary or any other diver for that matter,but any diver 
who goes to cave dive or learn to cave dive and must travel many miles to 
do so, are only doing something to better their skills.They are not true 
cave divers.


>Sheck Exley, whom many thought to be a great one in cave diving, did as
>many stupid things as Genitile. So what?

Everyone does stupid things , you learn from this and pass it on to someone 
else.

>
>
>We now know better. Anachronistic behavior is not supposed to be
>emulated.
>
>If you are explaining the pros and cons of diving safety to people, then
>you are doing all you can do. However, my concern is that you are
>fudging our system and that is why you get ignored.

Who says I'm being ignored?

>  Nobody ever ignores
>one of my full explanations - it is not possible.

I'd say Dave Sutton has , his name is in the subject.

>  If you have it
>cockeyed, that leaves holes in it and it gets discarded. You have done
>that with the bottle markings .

That is your belief , not ours here.


>In fact, I have not been around Genitile, but Exley I turned around to
>our way of thinking on gear in a few short conversations, since he was
>not stupid or a boat monkey,  got him to dive the correct gas when
>diving with me, but could not get him to understand that he was Sheck
>Exley, a guy who would dive anything any time to see what was there,a
>guy who had nothing to prove to anyone,

I have never met Sheck or you.But I do believe that going to look and see 
what is there is reason enough to do the dive.

>  and Batman was a stroke who
>would still be a stroke no matter what he did, and that there was no
>such thing as an ability to dive air. I told him I would personally set
>his deep bottles wo he could decend at the correct rate to avoid hpns,
>but he could not get by the need to prove some toughness that needed no
>proving, and he held the false belief that he was "too old" and "over
>the hill". He was younger than me then and now.

I have never met him either , but I'm not impressed by his CD.


>He knew he was going to get killed. The problem with the NE strokes is
>that they do not know it, and they do not realize the carnage that their
>stupidity and ignornace is wreaking on diving. This guy Genitile may not
>get wacked due to having gotten over the hump, but that does not mean he
>is optimizing his game. We are.

Everyone will improve , to a point , then their learning and unwilliness to 
change sets in.They become "Oldtimers" , this will happen to you ,me ,everyone.


>JT, just because you are a blithering idiot is no reason for us not to
>"get along". Just kidding.

I can "get along" with anybody , but you!

Just kidding.


>Capt JT wrote:
>
>
> >
> > >Solo is not a great diea, but it works better with our rig. For
> > >instance, how about the "poney" thing solo? Not as good as having the
> > >bottle rigged properly, and this is obvious.
> >
> > I am sick of this pony bottle thing , George , everyone knows that we do
> > not get along , but to recount my opinion on the pony with a fact,here 
> goes.
> > I cannot stop divers from wearing it on their back , I cannot mistreat them
> > on the boat if they wear it , if they get to know me they will hear my
> > speech against it.
> > As a fact! I doubt that there is many as good as Gary Gentile is in wreck
> > diving , having made that statement , he wears the pony.But on page 41 and
> > 42 in his Lusitania book two , he tells how he had put the pony in his
> > mouth by mistake on a  Wilkes-Barre dive.
> > He had to be saved by Billy Deans who at first did not understand the
> > problem.Had he been diving solo or had deco gas in it, it would have been
> > over.As 99% of my dives are solo , I must remove all possible mistakes of
> > human error.It will not be on my back.
> >
> > Capt. JT



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