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I do not know anything about the nutrition side of this, only the endicrinology side, but I can say that hard training this year has added ten pounds to me, and I have no fat to speak of anymore, and it is now very easy to keep the fat off while eating whatever I want due to the increased muscle, as you suggest. When I tried to lose it by just not eating, I lost the muscle and the fat looked worse. Now I look completely different. The biking built up the upper legs and butt , giving me the additional weight. At first I stayed at the same running speed, and then sped up quite a bit lately. Usually you slow down if you get heavier. The swim stayed the same for top speed, but the cruise speed keeps coming up, and the recovery time is shrinking. The bike "pain" factor has diminished to insignificance. By the way, I just checked the Iron Man qualifying times from Lake Placid. The top three guys in my age group, 45-49 also would have qualified in ANY age group, all the way dwon to 18-24, and were only really beaten by the pros. I rode with a guy Sunday morning ( nobody else showed up since it was so windy ), and he just came in third overall in the Florida Time Trials - he is 55 . My coach, who is 41 and wins all of the sprint triathelons down here in the pro class told me a while back that age means nothing in fitness. I am starting to believe this , and it is encouraging for everyone. Also, I hear the time trial guy used to be a HFS, according to Carmichael. Dan Volker wrote: > > I'll add a little to this diet and workout thread. About two years ago I > gained around 25 pounds over a 2 month long network computing job. Prior to > this I had always been around 10 to 13 percent bodyfat. Getting the fat off > was far more difficult than just keeping in the shape I had been in my whole > life. Since time was low, I decided I could only afford to bike ride, and > the gym workouts would not be possible. My friend Terry Giles, one of the > top trainers of Pro bodybuilders in the world, told me at the time the gym > would burn fat better than cycling. I would not dispute this, but felt with > 40 miles per day, eventually the fat would burn off anyway, and my > cardiovascular would be huge the whole time. > The short story on this was, while I lost some of this weight with the heavy > mileage cycling, it was not until I began hitting the gym last month that I > started to really return to former fitness levels. > > Riding 100 mile Sundays with George was also a key, but I could see the > effect of the gym workouts directly. > > Diet plays a key role. Giles has always said you need 6 meals per day. Each > has to have exactly the right grams of carb for our metabolic and exercise > needs. Most of us need between 25 and 30 grams of protein in each meal as > well, along with 2 gallons of water each day. The protein can NOT be plant > protein. Let me stress this another way. > If you are ill, have a heart condition, or are really not prepared to > attempt to get in the BEST physical shape your genetics will allow, then a > strict vegan diet could make good sense for you. If you have no such > handicap to push you into a vegan diet, then you will need red meat in your > diet at least once or twice per day, along with chicken, turkey, fish---one > or more animal based proteins making up the protein source in each meal. > The red meat will cause much more rapid recovery from INTENSE workouts. If > you are not doing intense workouts, you are not working out correctly, and > this will mean your protein source will be less critical---there will be > less healing/recovery to do, which means less growth possible. Please keep I > mind again that the 2 gallons of water per day are critical---no > substitutions allowed with soda intake, tea, coffee, milk---its 2 gallons of > water plus what other liquids you take in. And the last two meals of each > day ( 2 of 6) are utilizing vegetables as the carb source ( fibrous carbs), > while the first 4 are starchy carbs like rice, potatoe, oatmeal. Be aware > that bread from wheat is absolutely NOT part of your diet. > > If you have the potential to be an athlete, my advice is to "NOT" buy in to > Vegan propaganda. > I'll also guarantee that Giles could explain this at a biochemical level to > any Doctor or PhD out there, and more important, he could back it up by the > results of 2 decades of training world class athletes in both anaerobic and > aerobic sports. > I have no desire to offend any of the good divers who are Vegans on this > list, but my responsibility is to point out "optimal" systems for > diving---since diet and fitness are part of this, I have no choice. > > Regards, > Dan Volker > > -----Original Message----- > From: kirvine@sa*.ne* [mailto:kirvine@sa*.ne*] > Sent: Monday, November 01, 1999 9:55 AM > To: wkpp@eg*.co* > Cc: techdiver@aquanaut.com > Subject: Re: [wkpp] WKPP EOTL training regimen... > > In response to the workout and diet question: > > Do something every day, the veggies are not part of my program. That is > JJ's thing. I do not have the patience for it, and do not know enough > about it to make it work, but I will say that keeping the meat down a > tad makes keeping the weight off a lot easier. I get heavy fast with too > much meat. When I say "diet", I am thinking more in terms of the timing > of what you eat, not the content. I eat anything and everything I feel > like eating, but workout twice per day , seven days per week other than > dive days where that is not possible. > > I do long workouts, but 20-30 minutes per day is adequate to get the > results you want. The key, as in everything else , is to "show up" every > day and get it done, no matter what. > > Long workouts make you a lot stronger, fast workouts make your capacity > go way up. I go long and then throw the hammer down at the end to get > both effects. When I am short on time, as when I am in New York, I run > wide open for as long as I can, usually one hour, but I get between 9 > and 10 miles done that way. When I have Volker to ride with, we go 100 > miles at a time, 50 slow at about 20, and 50 in the high 20's, low 30's > with a pack. When I do not have Volker to ride with, I ride 20-40 at > whatever I can hold by myself without drafting behind or in front of the > pack. For swim, I do one straight 3500 meter swim for timimg purposes > per week, and the rest of the week I do whatever the coach has us doing > , mostly faster "interval" stuff for 60-90 minutes. > > Othersise, if you use machines in a gym, but warm up on a tradmill > first, you can really hit it hard and get a good workout. I also do some > weights for strength. There I do a series of quick warmups with few reps > to get to a high weight, and then do ones and twos to a maximum weight. > This prevents getting tight or sore later, but gives you incredible > strength. It also keeps the size down somewhat . That part I space out > to about once in three weeks. > > > > > George > > > > I see you mentioned this on Techdiver. > > > > Is there actually a prescribed program covering exercise, diet etc for the > > EOTL team divers? > > > > If so what exactly is it? > > > > > > -- > Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. > Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'. > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Woodville Karst Plain Project. Subscription and removal requests to > > clw5232@ga*.ac*.fs*.ed*. > > -- eGroup Home: http://www.egroups.com/group/wkpp/?m=1 > -- Free email groups at eGroups.com -- Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'.
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