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> This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --MS_Mac_OE_3023783375_544713_MIME_Part Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Dave, I scanned over some of your earlier rants and have to make a couple of comments. You make a reasonable statement somewhere in there in between the insults and wild accusations: >A window to a mans mind is the manner in which he speaks, >and the eloquence with which he states his debate. But then you embark on this weird quest to label G. Irvine as a paranoid, unstable, psychotic diver: >Better check back in at the clinic, since your paranoid (sic) is showing. >It's basic mental illness. This isn't even good conversation. And then you talk even more about what reasonable man would do: >A person who is secure in their life, secure with their friends, and secure >with their abilities would no more address a crowd in the manner that is >demonstrated above than they would go naked to church. But then proceed to say: >Dos Zvedanya, S udavolstviyim, Comarade yirunda! >(Kakoy, durak, kakzhal.... ;-( > >Find a Russian speaker, George.. It's an insult. .. . . and so on, ad nauseum. Oh, and yes we're impressed you know Russian, but could you cut to the chase and translate? Then you touch the next obvious BS base by going on to say you aren't going to read him anymore (the killfile), but I can find no evidence of that. In fact, I'll bet dollars to donuts you ARE reading everything he says. If so, doesn't that makes you a liar? And more insults: >Get some help. This sort of implies that you are on GIII's side, but the real fact is that it's the continuation of another insult. An implication of instability, of madness and that he doesn't even qualify as a man, but as a patient. And that makes you a hypocrite. Add to that your macho military and flyer posturing and I can pretty much chalk you up as mouth and nothing more. Online George is often obnoxious, profane, rude and not-ready-for-primetime, but he and the WKPP have evolved a rig and a set of diving principles that work and in about the most hostile environment imaginable: 300' deep and 18,000 feet back in a big, dark, often low-vis, high-flow cave(s). The do it without big sponsors or big pockets, just a week-in, week-out resolve to do it the right way and find the end of the tunnel. They publish, do research and don't call the media every time they get wet. I respect that. They are principled about conditioning, technique and gear. I respect that. They enforce a rigid set of guidelines for their active personnel. I respect that. And using their principles, the GUE group just did the Britannic with what is by all accounts unparalleled success. They carry their principles over into other areas of diving because they have found that they work there. BTW, what have you done lately? You could have said, George, you're an asshole, but we're not that far apart and then worked to reasonably find the differences and similarities. That's what I did a long time ago and eventually met him and found him to be decent as a person and diver. And I've concluded that he's intractable because he dives an unforgiving environment. I'd like to see a different attitude sometimes, but he is the person he is. I'd like to see a more civil approach to discourse on Techdiver, but it is what it is. I don't try to enforce manners. I take the pearls I find because I'm smart enough to separate them from the BS and bluster. But it takes some intelligence, patience and maturity. You're obsessed, babe. Admit it, then maybe YOU should get some help. Later, JoeL --MS_Mac_OE_3023783375_544713_MIME_Part Content-type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable <HTML> <HEAD> <TITLE>RE: Well Said</TITLE> </HEAD> <BODY> <TT>Dave,<BR> <BR> I scanned over some of your earlier rants and have to make a couple of comm= ents. You make a reasonable statement somewhere in there in between the insu= lts and wild accusations:<BR> <BR> >A window to a mans mind is the manner in which he speaks, <BR> >and the eloquence with which he states his debate.<BR> <BR> But then you embark on this weird quest to label G. Irvine as a paranoid, u= nstable, psychotic diver:<BR> <BR> >Better check back in at the clinic, since your paranoid (sic) is showin= g. >It's basic mental illness.<BR> <BR> This isn't even good conversation. And then you talk even more about what r= easonable man would do:<BR> <BR> >A person who is secure in their life, secure with their friends, and se= cure >with their abilities would no more address a crowd in the manner th= at is >demonstrated above than they would go naked to church.<BR> <BR> But then proceed to say:<BR> <BR> >Dos Zvedanya, S udavolstviyim, Comarade yirunda! <BR> >(Kakoy, durak, kakzhal.... ;-(<BR> ><BR> >Find a Russian speaker, George.. It's an insult.<BR> <BR> .. . . and so on, ad nauseum. Oh, and yes we're impressed you know Russian, = but could you cut to the chase and translate?<BR> <BR> Then you touch the next obvious BS base by going on to say you aren't going= to read him anymore (the killfile), but I can find no evidence of that. In = fact, I'll bet dollars to donuts you ARE reading everything he says. If so, = doesn't that makes you a liar? And more insults:<BR> <BR> >Get some help.<BR> <BR> This sort of implies that you are on GIII's side, but the real fact is that= it's the continuation of another insult. An implication of instability, of = madness and that he doesn't even qualify as a man, but as a patient.<BR> <BR> And that makes you a hypocrite.<BR> <BR> Add to that your macho military and flyer posturing and I can pretty much c= halk you up as mouth and nothing more.<BR> <BR> Online George is often obnoxious, profane, rude and not-ready-for-primetime= , but he and the WKPP have evolved a rig and a set of diving principles that= work and in about the most hostile environment imaginable: 300' deep and 18= ,000 feet back in a big, dark, often low-vis, high-flow cave(s). The do it w= ithout big sponsors or big pockets, just a week-in, week-out resolve to do i= t the right way and find the end of the tunnel. They publish, do research an= d don't call the media every time they get wet. I respect that. They are pri= ncipled about conditioning, technique and gear. I respect that. They enforce= a rigid set of guidelines for their active personnel. I respect that.<BR> <BR> And using their principles, the GUE group just did the Britannic with what = is by all accounts unparalleled success. They carry their principles over in= to other areas of diving because they have found that they work there. BTW, = what have you done lately?<BR> <BR> You could have said, George, you're an asshole, but we're not that far apar= t and then worked to reasonably find the differences and similarities. That'= s what I did a long time ago and eventually met him and found him to be dece= nt as a person and diver. And I've concluded that he's intractable because h= e dives an unforgiving environment. I'd like to see a different attitude som= etimes, but he is the person he is. I'd like to see a more civil approach to= discourse on Techdiver, but it is what it is. I don't try to enforce manner= s. I take the pearls I find because I'm smart enough to separate them from t= he BS and bluster. But it takes some intelligence, patience and maturity.<BR= > <BR> You're obsessed, babe. Admit it, then maybe YOU should get some help.<BR> <BR> Later,<BR> <BR> JoeL</TT> </BODY> </HTML> --MS_Mac_OE_3023783375_544713_MIME_Part-- -- Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'.
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