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Sorry, I just don't see a correlation. In the message you posted, our anonymous friend calls George & company "cowards". Yet he is afraid of being talked to nastily if he contributes to the list???????????????? >>? Hammering a guy with obscenity is not all that different > from coming to his house and pounding on his door.<< Huh? I guess I fail to see any kind of parallel here. If you call me nasty names, I'm going to tell you, well, where to go (po-russkiy, tavarishch: 'na khwee'). If you show up at my door, pounding away, that's a whole 'nother level, that will be dealt with appropriately <g>. >And, > frankly, with the level of mental illness expressed by George, > It's not out of the question that he'll go postal one day and > come visit someone who criticizes him. Oh, come on, Dave. You're losing the moral high ground, here. >I mean, just -look- > at the anger in his writings. Anybody with an undergrad > course in psychology can see he's disturbed. Anyone with an undergrad course in psychology is qualified to serve burgers. Sorry, guys, don't mean to insult any psych _majors_, or people with post-grad degrees, but one or two psych courses does NOT a therapist make. Dave, if I took one three-credit course in aeronautics, would you let me fly your Mig? >>> It's not the message, it's the manner. Agreed. > Verbal (textual) > bullying is as bad as schoolyard bullying. I hate bullies. > Nothing but a coward hiding insecurity by bashing the weak. Oh, come on! Nobody's taking anyone's lunch money.... the kid in grade school with the thick glasses and braces is NOT getting pushed down stairs, here. Frankly, while I applaud your desire to stand up for the weak and timid, I have to wonder how much real threat they are under, here. We all acknowledge that so-called 'tech diving' involves higher stresses than conventional OW, do we not? Yet I'm to believe that there are some tech divers out there who are so timid they are cowed by an email? Maybe _those_ people should take up golf.... Rich L ----- Original Message ----- From: Dave Sutton <pilots@na*.ne*> To: Rich Lesperance <richl@uf*.ed*>; <techdiver@aquanaut.com> Sent: Monday, October 25, 1999 8:19 AM Subject: Re: Well Said! > ----->I always wondered about this. The first few times I heard it, I was > >suspicious as to the existence of those timid lurkers, but either Dave > >Sutton has posted to this list under other names in the past (no, Dave, I'm > >giving you the benefit of the doubt, here), or these lurkers _do_ exist. > > > > They do indeed.... > > > >Dave hasn't said it in so many words, but the previous ones have - that > >these Lurkers are too afraid to voice an opinion, and merely content > >themselves with sending participants in the battles private emails, telling > >them to keep up the good work. > > > Here is a sample: (Yep, guys, it's reposted private email. > It's all been cleansed to keep your name out of it...) I > particularly liked this one (of dozens that I have gotten) > because it expresses exactly the situation: > > > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > > >Thank you, thank you for coming to this list and finally, hopefully,making > >it something other than Georgie's private forum. > > >I imagine that you are getting many emails like this from those like me who > >lurk here, never posting, and applauding your efforts over the last few > >days. As you alluded to a few posts ago there is a large group that monitor > >this list but never post because we don't want to deal with Georgie and his > >apostles. I am one of the many and I'm glad to see you're here and exposing > >G and his sycophants for the cowards they are. > > >I was going to leave this list but I'll think I'll stick around for a bit > >now. Thanks again. > > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > > > >WTF, guys? Nobody from the list is hunting down the participants (are > >they?)! If you think something is outta hand, wade in and say so! > > > > Why would this nice guy from Canada expose himself to a foul > stream of invective from Georgie and minions for expressing his > ideas? Hammering a guy with obscenity is not all that different > from coming to his house and pounding on his door. And, > frankly, with the level of mental illness expressed by George, > It's not out of the question that he'll go postal one day and > come visit someone who criticizes him. I mean, just -look- > at the anger in his writings. Anybody with an undergrad > course in psychology can see he's disturbed. > > > >Dave did. I disagree with him on quite a few things, (but have only > >mentioned those that I feel competent enough to voice an opinion on) others > >disagree with him, more. > > > It's not the message, it's the manner. Frankly, it's not like guys > were dropping like flies on the wrecks here before methods > were changed. That may be different in the caves. I comment not > on caves. But for the most part it's all fly-shit stuff that makes no > difference. Why get all in a tizzy over the difference between a > hand-light and a canister light, eh? > > > >So what, big deal! We get an exchange of ideas on the list, and maybe some > >of us learn something! > > > Yup. Lots more this week than last week, that's for sure. > > > > >Quit hiding, fer pete's sake. No one's gonna bite ya! > > > Perhaps not literally, but figuratively. Verbal (textual) > bullying is as bad as schoolyard bullying. I hate bullies. > Nothing but a coward hiding insecurity by bashing the weak. > No truly wise or strong man would stoop so low. > > > Best to all, > > Dave Sutton > -- Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'.
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