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Well put. I'm sure there are many "lurkers" who agree. I belong to several other technical lists (unrelated to diving) and this is the only one where such useless abuse is tolerated. Chuck Hinchey chinchey@rj*.co* -----Original Message----- From: Dave Sutton [mailto:pilots@na*.ne*] Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 1999 6:40 PM To: techdiver@aquanaut.com Cc: diverdan@ac*.mo*.ne* Subject: Re: A question about who is the mouth -----Original Message----- >From: Daniel L. Crawford <diverdan@ac*.mo*.ne*> >You have a few brain lesions to many or what? Sheesh, you come onto the >list and start spouting off. Have you seen a neurologist lately? Greetings to all, I've been lurking for a long time and am just sick of seeing George and syncophants bullying people. This is supposed to be a forum for -informed- and -polite- discussion of -technique-, not a pulpit for a few to bully others who disagree on a technical basis with the conclusions of others, not should it be a forum for -anyone- to stand up and shout (rudely at that) that they, and only they, dive according to the very word of god and that the rest of us are all worthless scum. Boy...... I've been too busy -doing it- to waste time -talking about it- but enough is enough. Playground bullies need to be put in their places now and then. I see from your post that you, as well, resort to ad-hominum attacks (look it up). This is generally the last bastion of the intellectually bankrupt in conduct of debates: when you cannot attack the idea, or present a rational and thoughtful argument using well reasoned lines of logical construction the debater resorts to attacking the person. It's worth a deduction of points in formal debate. Perhaps you should take a course in rhetoric, reasoning, and logic. They are available from any local college. Should you be willing to offer some technical points for discussion, I'll be very happy to debate. Here is a starting sample of what I expected to see here when I began lurking: Question: Why do NJ Wreck divers all use 1/4 manila reels when the rest of the tech diving world uses lighter synthetic line and smaller diameter reels? My answer: Because we do our deco wearing 1/4 inch 3 finger mitts and while it is true that a light line is strong enough to hold the diver, it is nearly impossible to hold onto the light line for a long deco with mitts, nor is it possible to tie knots in lighter line with the heavy mitts on. Our technique for deco if we cannot locate the anchor line is to send up our manila on a 50 pound lift-bag, and then hang from the annchored bag. Plus, we feel that the manila, being biodegradable, does not pose as much of a long-lasting entanglement hazard to other divers who might visit the wreck later as would synthetic line since there is no practical way to retrieve the line post-deco, so we simply cut it off. Lastly, we are more-or-less sessile (meaning that we don't move much on the bottom) so we do not worry as much as a cave diver might about drag swimming, nor since the majority of our diving is not real 'overhead enviromnent' stuff we are not as worried about streamlined profile as a cave diver might be". Now, you get to add -your- comments based on -your- experience, and you might learn something from me, and I might learn something from you. Nice, eh?? You might try it sometime. it's what this list should be -all- about. Answers like "You are an asshole for using such a stupid technique. You and all of your Jersey Jerks should be taught by the WKPP guys how to -really- dive" is not acceptable. If you tried blue-water diving up here using cave techniques, you'd be dead. You -might- survive the fairly benign conditions of the summer, but come February when the air temperature on the boat is 15, the water is 32, and your gear freezes to a sheet of ice while you climb the ladder and you'd be toast. (BTW, I guess that 2 years spent in the Antarctic doing this stuff means I don't know shit about cold water, either...) Once again, I challenge the _entire group_ to refrain from writing what you would not be brave enought to say to a mans face. It's a sign of living in a civilized society to play well with others. Frankly, it's sadly obvious that very few here are divers. The divers that I have associated with over the last 25 or so years would be _ashamed_ to act like this group. Dave Sutton -- Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'. -- Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'.
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