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To: "Terry McCracken" <terrym@it*.ns*.co*.au*>
Subject: IWR gas switching re: IWR etc
From: ddoolett@me*.ad*.ed*.au* (David Doolette)
Cc: techdiver@opal.com
Date: Thu, 22 Dec 1994 13:16:36 +1030
>Hi Folks
>	After following this thread for a while I have a question. If you are
>correctly(sic) set up for OWR with a FFM etc and you are down as a tender. If
>the diver under treatment does go into convulsions due to O2 tox what is the
>correct procedure? Someone mentioned that you should never bring a convulsing
>diver to the surface due to the risk of embolism, if you do not have the
>ability to switch the gas that the diver is breathing, will the convulsions
>continue while the diver is under pressure and breathing O2?

 I am not aware if anyone has tried to continue administering O2 beyond the 
point of convulsion in humans or animals, but neurophysiological 
preparations in vitro continue to manifest hyperexcitability throughout HBO 
treatment.  It is reasonable, considering the aetiology of CNS O2 toxicity, 
to assume that if HBO were continued the diver would have further convulsions.

 >Does this mean
>that you must have the ability to switch gasses before considering IWR.

The convulsion is a sign of serious central nervous toxicity, oxygen must be 
discontinued before any more damage is done.  Certain areas of the brain can 
be damaged by the seizure activity that underly such convulsions, although 
convulsions do not mean that such areas are experiencing seizures, but given 
the epileptogenic potential of these areas, I wouldn't be suprised (I must 
look that up).  Furthermore, the seizure/convulsions are only one sign of 
the underlying pathology of O2 toxicity, continued free radical generation 
and lipid peroxidation etc., as a consequence of continued HBO, will cause 
neurone damage.

You must be able to switch gases. I believe Jason Rogers recently posted a 
protocol for dealing with in-water CNS O2 toxicity.  Such protocols are 
published in, for instance, the DCIEM manual.


>P.S. has someone done the calculations for the AusIWR table for the aprox
>number of cu ft of O2 that would be required to complete the treatment.(I
>know I am being lazy but my brain has shut down for the holidays). 

I posted this at the beginning of this thread.  138-198 minutes, 9msw max 
depth, 5-10 litres/min/bar gas consumption on demand, worst figure is 3762 
litres, who knows how many cu ft that is, this is Australia after all, about 
150 I would say.

>If you
>were to consider the use of an O2 rebreather for the treatment, how often
>would you have to flush the loop?



regards,

David Doolette
ddoolett@me*.ad*.ed*.au*

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