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From: <Gilldiver@ao*.co*>
Date: Mon, 20 Sep 1999 18:27:11 EDT
Subject: Re: "Desecrating" War Graves???
To: john@ro*.co*.uk*, techdiver@aquanaut.com
I have been working with the archaeologists on shipwreck laws and can do the 
artifact recovery debate from both sides. First I want to state that most WWI 
and WWII wrecks off of the US coast have been blown up or are at a depth that 
only a few divers will ever see them (How many divers will see the HMS 
Hampshire in a year, in ten years?). In the first case there is little if any 
context to view artifacts in. In fact, most divers would have a hard time 
even identifying the equipment that they see. In the second case if artifacts 
are not recovered, theses deeper wrecks will never be seen by the general 
public. But there are special cases, war wrecks are one, please do not 
disturber or recover human remains. Next, there are some wrecks that are 
intact at shallow depths, those in protected waters or in fresh water, these 
can be your museums or more likely tourist attractions (Truk comes to mind). 
Also, never recover an artifact if you cannot or will not 1) conserve it 2) 
Document it (Location, ship, original state etc. 3) make it available for 
display 4) provide for its care after you don't want it any longer. An 
artifact out back of the garage should have been left on the wreck.

The following is a post I put on the Sub-Arch list a year or so ago. It got 
some very favorable comments from the "professional" archaeologists.

Pete Johnson

If I may introduce myself, I am a wreck diver with 20 years diving experience 
off of the Northeast US coast. I also have an amateur interest in marine 
history specializing in marine engineering technology.

I have been reading with some interest the posts concerning archeologists and 
sport divers over the past few days and would like to make some observations 
from my background and experience.

1) Many shipwrecks are found not by archeologists but by divers who then 
report them to the archeologists. I believe that George Bass has stated 
publicly that without the sponge divers he would never have located many of 
the wrecks he has spent his life working on. In northern European and 
American waters there are no working divers who can fill this role except the 
recreational SCUBA divers searching for shipwrecks. 

Many of these divers have spent considerable amounts of their own time and 
money acquiring the skills and equipment to operate at depths that are 
exceeding 300 feet and at distances from shore reaching out to 100 miles. A 
large percentage of these divers are professionals with college and advanced 
degrees. These divers have spent many hours researching the ships and their 
histories before going out to these deeper and further off wrecks. They also 
write, publish, and present about these wrecks whenever asked.

2) Most shipwrecks in the Northeast US of interest to these wreck divers are 
of recent origin, post 1880 to 1900, and are of iron and steel construction. 
Wood shipwrecks are of interest mostly as a place to do lobstering, not for 
artifacts. Most of the steel wrecks in depths of 100' or shallower have been 
broken up as hazards to navigation. Metal wrecks are constantly deteriorating 
due to the salt water environment and storm/current conditions. 

3) Since the late 1960's the power and size of commercial fishing boats has 
greatly increase. This increase in power has resulted in wood wrecks that 
used to be avoided now simply being run over and destroyed, even steel wrecks 
are being broken up. The wreck of the steel trawler Amagansett, sunk in 1960 
off of North Carolina was fully intact during the summer of 1994, in 1995 it 
was found broken up and spread over several acres of the bottom, the remains 
of a trawl net were also found. Many of the captains of these large fishing 
boats have artifact collections larger than any wreck diver will ever 
collect. I have also talked to sport charter fishing boat captains and they 
all report that many "Hangs" just are no longer found. The result of the 
above is that wrecks that may be of significant archaeological interest are 
not safe in any area where commercial trawler fishing is conducted and that 
the option of leaving wrecks in situ may no longer  be a safe option.

4) Not every shipwreck older then 50 years is of archaeological or historical 
interest.

5) Due to the large areas of water involved and lack of funding for 
enforcement, laws protecting shipwrecks are ineffective without the 
cooperation of the local sport diving community.

Realizing the above and the need to preserve the history involved with the 
shipwrecks. The State archeologist office of Connecticut has started talks 
with the local sport/wreck divers on a voluntary program to document and 
preserve shipwrecks of interest.

Beginning points for discussion are that shipwrecks can be divided into 3 
broad categories:

Pre 1840 - These wrecks often are not documented and little is known about 
them. Wrecks in this category should be reported and preserved until they can 
be surveyed.

1840-1880 - These ships, if they are identified, are often documented to some 
degree. However, some archaeological data may be recovered and should also be 
preserved until the ships are surveyed. This survey does not necessarily 
require the supervision of a professional archaeologist.

Post 1880 to Present - These ships are most likely known and archival 
information can be found. This information can be as detailed as photos, 
builders plans, bill's of lading, crew and passenger lists. Therefore, no new 
archeological data is likely to be gathered. However, the wrecks may be of 
historical value and preservation would only be on a case by case basis.

The first and second category of wrecks would be recovered or preserved in 
situ if desirable and possible. Artifacts from the first category would be 
recovered under archeological supervision. 

Artifacts from the second category would be documented by the divers and the 
documents submitted to the state for review. If the artifacts recovered are 
deemed to be of archeological or historical value the state would have the 
right to study them for a period of time, and purchase them for a negotiated 
sum (right of first refusal) or have them donated as a tax deduction. The 
diver would be credited with the recovery at any display.

Artifacts from the third category could be recovered at will if not otherwise 
protected. The divers would be encouraged to submit documentation on the 
wreck and artifact to be placed into a data base. Preservation of the 
artifacts and documentation would be stressed and a system for the donation 
of them implemented when they are no longer wanted.

An education system would be set up so that the differences and exceptions 
between these categories, proper documentation, and preservation techniques 
could be taught to the divers.

Professional salvage would be allowed only on a case by case basses. 
Commercial salvage of existing shipwrecks is not in the interest of either 
the archeologist or wreck diver.

The benefits to the archeological community would be:

A willing exchange of information between the archeologists and divers such 
as wreck sites, conditions, and research/artifacts already gathered.

A vastly increased search/survey capability of the bottom.

A trained reserve of skilled wreck divers with capabilities to dive in excess 
of 200 feet. In most cases the services of these divers would be available at 
no cost except perhaps for air/mix, boat, and food. I believe that since the 
USS Monitor has been opened up to the deep sport/wreck diver, supervised 
recovery of artifacts is being done at no cost to the government.

Benefits to the diving community would be:

Inclusion into the archaeological and decision making process.

Elimination of unnecessary regulations involving the wrecks of primary 
interest (post 1880-1900).

A greater understanding of any historical/archaeological significance of the 
wrecks dove and artifacts recovered.
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