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At 09:56 AM 19/9/99 +0100, innes@di*.pi*.co* wrote: >You might have noticed that I am not actually ON the Lusitania website. I >dived it in 1995....... Innes, you didn't make that clear in your previous post, and I was too interested in the comedy of errors that unfolded on the Lusy 99 web site to remember the names of all the players. So you are guilty only by association. However, I take issue with your claim in a previous post that... >The Florida caving set continue to irritate everybody in techical diving. They don't irritate me, the people I dive with or the people I correspond with. What DOES irritate me and some of my associates is people like the members of the Lusy99 expedition who clearly and obviously have not yet learned the art of good clean equipment configuration. The Lusitania 99 expedition is not what I like to see held up to the world as the epitome of what we do. It was, by the participants' own account, a slovenly and ill-planned affair. They couldn't even organise the boat properly. The gear configurations shown on the web site demonstrate that far from training them, Gurr may well have had them all over, Rover. Conditions around the UK are not so different to the rest of the world that they had to dive with those vast assemblages of clumsily configured gear. Rigs like that are the mark of divers who rely on 10% planning and 90% luck - and don't realise it. Instead of protesting against those who argue for higher diving standards, why don't you do us all a favour and protest instead against this 'junkyard dog' style of diving which causes too many accidents and gets us all a bad name. I am suprised that you don't seem to have worked it out yet that over-rigging, which British divers seem especially prone to do - restricts your mobility and freedom of movement. Maybe there is the thought in Britain that the more gear you hang off yourself, the higher you rank on the 'technical' scale. I admire the British do-it-yourself, have-a-go, home-built mentality - it built an Empire, after all. But that was last century. This is now and when it comes to advanced diving your Floridean cousins lead the way in efficiency, safety and profesionalism. Don't be so stubborn (another great British tradition). The Christmas Tree style of gear-rigging is out of vogue in much of the world - it is considered by many to be the mark of the amateur. Judging by the story that unfolds on the Lusitania 99 web site, the one thing that did seem to work other than by luck is the deco station, as per the concept developed and implemented by Polly Tapson & her team on their earlier Lusitania expedition. Innes, I appreciate your wish that "the stupidity would end". But you are addressing the wrong people. Study the difference between the latest Britannic expedition and the Lusitania 99 chain-of-events. They both have web sites. Which one best represents our activities to the public, the regulators and the insurance industry? rgrds billyw > >My 'rant' was about the zealous way some quarters of this sport behave >toward their peers.. > >THERE IS NO NEED FOR IT > >NO ONE IS TOTALLY RIGHT > >PEOPLE LEARN THROUGHOUT THEIR ENTIRE LIVES > >LIGHTEN-UP GEORGE....... > > > >Innes > >At 07:58 AM 9/18/99 -0400, you wrote: >>Innes, you are not our "peer", you are a dangerous, embarassing stroke. >>On your web site are some of the worst examples of idiocy I have ever >>seen, like oxygen ponied to sets behind the diver - really stupid, >>braggadocio about "deep air diving" on wrecks in the UK - expecially >>stupid, and revealing discussions of what dive courses you and your band >>of dillatante clowns have been taking , a real laugh. >> >>Too many people see examples like this, read the slop you put out ( many >>fine examples of which are quoted on this list), and not only get the >>wrong idea, they unititiated get killed emulating this crap. >> >>There is no reason to treat you other than as the bungee jumping half >>wit that you have proven you are. >> >>By the way, idiot, Cobb is not a "cave diver" he is a wreck diver, and >>any of us who have an interest in seeing this sport progress from what >>you are doing to a legitimate and accepted endeavor will have the same >>reaction to your display of diving cretanism. >> >>In other words, those of us who know better will not tolerate jerks like >>you trying to ruin it for everyone, nor wil we sit by and watch the >>usual suspects line their pockets with money at teh excpense of human >>life. >> >>Instead of putting out foul-mouthed crap on here, why don't you >>entertain us all with the logic of opnied oxygen, bondage wings, >>bullshit qgasses, stroke rigs and gear, and deep air, and prove me right >>once again. Go ahead, tell us why we this is ok. >> >>innes@di*.pi*.co* wrote: >>> >>> You know.. >>> >>> The Florida caving set continue to irritate everybody in techical diving. >>> >>> I wish all of this stupidity would end. >>> >>> If I or any of my friends are insulted by the likes of Cobb - we will >>> defend ourselves. >>> >>> Unless you noticed - there are many different styles and techniques in tek >>> diving. This is one of the aspects of the sport which makes it so great. >>> >>> How about being a little human?? >>> >>> Innes - no personal axe to grind. Just tired of being insulted by my peers. >>> >>> > >>> > >>> > Listen, Dickweed, after that display of public stupidy on your web >page, I >>> >can not believe you then get on here and use foul language, you cock >sucker. >>> >This is not allwoed on techdiver. >>> > >>> >innes@di*.pi*.co* wrote: >>> >> >>> >> >Go fuck yourself - cave diving scum asshole. >>> >> > >>> >> >Some of these divers are best you will find anywhere. >>> >> > >>> >> >Shove your DIR up your pond-life ass and take all your other stupid >>> >> >expressions with you. >>> >> > >>> >> >Innes McCartney - British and proud of it >>> >> > >>> >-- >>> >Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. >>> >Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'. >>> >>> -- >>> Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. >>> Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'. >> >> >>-- >>Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. >>Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'. > > >-- >Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. >Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'. > > -- Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. 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