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Al,
Thank you, I will pass your address on to those people, and let them
contact you direct, as im not in the habit of posting private messages on to
the list, as are some people.
Cheers
Grant
-----Original Message-----
From: ajmarve@ba*.ne* <ajmarve@ba*.ne*>
To: Grant Jones <grant@ow*.fr*.co*.uk*>; techdiver@aquanaut.com
<techdiver@aquanaut.com>
Date: 30 August 1999 06:32
Subject: The Pony awaits was, Re: whinnings
>Grant,
>
>If this is for real and you have received emails from people wanting to
know
>more about dir, please forward them to me and I will explain what I can. I
am
>not an expert, but I have a feel for what the info is and where to get it.
>
>I will also post my replies blind to the list, so everybody can see what im
>putting out, without embarrassing anyone, except possibly myself.
>
>There is a lot of information here, but you have to be ready to accept it,
and
>the first sign of someone who isnt ready is the polite language garbage.
>
>Forward away.
>
>Al Marvelli
>
>Grant Jones wrote:
>
>> christian,
>>
>> This public list as you point out is to deal with tech diving
>> issues,yet its often used to flame people not doing it dir style, nothing
>> gets said to these people.
>> you say * this means that you have no right, whatever, to put your
>> semantics, your ideas of what is right and wrong*, how do you figure
that
>> one?, the dir
>> bunch can slag off equipment, and tell people how to do stuff, but I
cant
>> have a say!!
>> In the *appropriate use policy*, it states "readers have also agreed
>> that the use of offensive language, insults or threats is not
>> appropriate on this list, NO MATTER HOW VALID YOUR POINT MAY BE",
>> perhaps you might have a word with the list owner about that as well
then.
>> As for strike, he may have forgotten more than ive contemplated, I
>> wasn't rude , or insulting to him, all I did was ask for the names of
>> books on the dir subject.
>> For every post that is similar to yours, I get three, asking about
>> dir from people too scared to post in case they get flamed, I can't
answer
>> them, because I know squat about the subject, so what do I tell them?
>> I joined this list to further my knowledge about tech diving, not to
>> read insults.
>>
>> Grant
>> >> -----Original Message-----
>> >> From: Christian Gerzner <christiang@pi*.co*.au*>
>> >> To: techdiver@aquanaut.com <techdiver@aquanaut.com>
>> >> Date: 24 August 1999 21:50
>> >> Subject: Re: Sick of Grant and his whinging
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> >David Strike wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >> On 23 August 1999 03:23, Grant Jones wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >> > Yet another information filled post...........
>> >> >
>> >> >> and ...
>> >> >
>> >> >> >10 - 20% content, rest guano.......hmm, good ratio !!
>> >> >
>> >> >> You've forced me out of 'lurker' mode to point up the fact that
>> >> individuals
>> >> >> on some island nations have established vast fortunes out of mining
>> >> 'guano'!
>> >> >> :-)
>> >> >
>> >> >> If it really is 'content' that you seek, rather than elightenment
and
>> >> lively
>> >> >> debate, then may I suggest that you research at least a little of
the
>> >> >> history and background of diving? Even to the extent of reading
just
>> =
>> >> a
>> >> few
>> >> >> of the many text books, manuals and articles that abound on the =
>> >> subject!
>> >> >
>> >> >> You may then be in a position to expand beyond 'one-line' responses
=
>> >> and
>> >> >> actually contribute to my on-going diving education! :-)
>> >> >
>> >> >Grant,
>> >> >
>> >> >There are some on this list, Strike included, who take the good with
=
>> >> the
>> >> >bad. I like to think that I, also, am one of those. "Kinda
reesonable"
>> >> >in the vernacular described by our own George, as in "Farm Animal =
>> >> Stupid."
>> >> >
>> >> >There are already many who have suggested to you that you should pull
>> >> >your head in, some in fairly "progressive" language and some, like
>> >> >Strike, politely. Strike, BTW, has quite likely forgotten about more
>> >> >dives than you will ever contemplate and, no, there is no collusion.
>> >> >
>> >> >This is a public list, let me repeat PUBLIC. It is NOT moderated and
>> >> >this means that you have no right, whatever, to put your semantics, =
>> >> your
>> >> >ideas of what is right and wrong. Some lists are polite, a post from
me
>> >> >to this list at about this time about another list asks that people
>> >> >should be polite on that other list, which happens to be that list's
=
>> >> way
>> >> >of doing things. Yet that list also is not moderated. But it is the
way
>> >> >that THAT list operates, and if a "Georgeian" (sorry George) were to
>> >> >happen on that list there would be furore and it would be resolved
VERY
>> >> quickly.
>> >> >
>> >> >This list, the Tech-Diver list has a close to "anything goes" policy
=
>> >> and
>> >> > if you, Grant, can't like it, then you shouldn't lump it and get the
>> >> >hell out of it. GOOD BYE.
>> >> >
>> >> >You, Grant, are becoming a nuisance, dare I say it, a BLOODY
nuisance?
>> >> >
>> >> >Too many people are getting heartily sick and tired of you and
threads
>> >> >associated with you, which you continue to perpetrate; perhaps we
might
>> >> >actively suggest to the list owner to bar you?
>> >> >
>> >> >After all, the bandwidth when compared to its value as a diver
related
>> >> >information service is getting way over the top.
>> >> >
>> >> >You are the principal cause of that.
>> >> >
>> >> >Put up, or shut up,
>> >> >
>> >> >Christian
>> >> >--
>> >> >Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to
`techdiver@aquanaut.com'.
>> >> >Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to =
>> >> `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'.
>> >> >
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>> >> not doing=20
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>> >> language,=20
>> >> insults or threats is not appropriate on<BR>this list, NO MATTER HOW =
>> >> VALID YOUR=20
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>> >>
>> >> subject.<BR> For every post that is similar to
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>> >> I get=20
>> >> three, asking about dir<BR>from people too scared to post in case they
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>> >> flamed, I can't answer them,<BR>because I know squat about the
subject, =
>> >> so what=20
>> >> do I tell them?<BR> I joined this list to further my
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>> >> knowledge=20
>> >> about tech diving, not to<BR>read
insults.<BR><BR> =20
>> >> Grant<BR>-----Original Message-----<BR>From: Christian Gerzner
<<A=20
>> >>
>>
href=3D"mailto:christiang@pi*.co*.au*">christiang@pip.com.au</A>><BR>To
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>> >> : <A=20
>> >> href=3D"mailto:techdiver@aquanaut.com">techdiver@aquanaut.com</A>
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>> >>
>> >>
>>
href=3D"mailto:techdiver@aquanaut.com">techdiver@aquanaut.com</A>><BR>=
>> >> Date: 24=20
>> >> August 1999 21:50<BR>Subject: Re: Sick of Grant and his=20
>> >> whinging<BR><BR><BR>>David Strike
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>> >> August=20
>> >> 1999 03:23, Grant Jones wrote:<BR>><BR>>> > Yet another
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>> >> information=20
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>> >> >10 -=20
>> >> 20% content, rest guano.......hmm, good ratio
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>> >> You've=20
>> >> forced me out of 'lurker' mode to point up the fact=20
>> >> that<BR>individuals<BR>>> on some island nations have
established =
>> >> vast=20
>> >> fortunes out of mining<BR>'guano'!<BR>>>
:-)<BR>><BR>>>
=
>> >> If it=20
>> >> really is 'content' that you seek, rather than elightenment=20
>> >> and<BR>lively<BR>>> debate, then may I suggest that you
research
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>> >> at least=20
>> >> a little of the<BR>>> history and background of diving?
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>> >> to the=20
>> >> extent of reading just a<BR>few<BR>>> of the many text books,
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>> >> manuals and=20
>> >> articles that abound on the subject!<BR>><BR>>> You may
then
be
>> =
>> >> in a=20
>> >> position to expand beyond 'one-line' responses and<BR>>>
>> actually=20
>> >> contribute to my on-going diving education! =20
>> >> :-)<BR>><BR>>Grant,<BR>><BR>>There are some on
this list,
=
>> >> Strike=20
>> >> included, who take the good with the<BR>>bad. I like to think that
I,
>> =
>> >> also,=20
>> >> am one of those. "Kinda reesonable"<BR>>in the =
>> >> vernacular =20
>> >> described by our own George, as in "Farm Animal=20
>> >> Stupid."<BR>><BR>>There are already many who have
suggested
=
>> >> to you=20
>> >> that you should pull<BR>>your head in, some in fairly =
>> >> "progressive"=20
>> >> language and some, like<BR>>Strike, politely. Strike, BTW, has
quite =
>> >> likely=20
>> >> forgotten about more<BR>>dives than you will ever contemplate and,
=
>> >> no, there=20
>> >> is no collusion.<BR>><BR>>This is a public list, let me
repeat =
>> >> PUBLIC. It=20
>> >> is NOT moderated and<BR>>this means that you have no right,
whatever,
>> =
>> >> to put=20
>> >> your semantics, your<BR>>ideas of what is right and wrong. Some
lists
>> =
>> >> are=20
>> >> polite, a post from me<BR>>to this list at about this time about =
>> >> another list=20
>> >> asks that people<BR>>should be polite on that other list, which =
>> >> happens to be=20
>> >> that list's way<BR>>of doing things. Yet that list also is not =
>> >> moderated. But=20
>> >> it is the way<BR>>that THAT list operates, and if a =
>> >> "Georgeian"=20
>> >> (sorry George) were to<BR>>happen on that list there would be
furore =
>> >> and it=20
>> >> would be resolved VERY<BR>quickly.<BR>><BR>>This list, the
=
>> >> Tech-Diver list=20
>> >> has a close to "anything goes" policy and<BR>> if you, =
>> >> Grant, can't=20
>> >> like it, then you shouldn't lump it and get the<BR>>hell out of it.
=
>> >> GOOD=20
>> >> BYE.<BR>><BR>>You, Grant, are becoming a nuisance, dare I say
it, =
>> >> a BLOODY=20
>> >> nuisance?<BR>><BR>>Too many people are getting heartily sick
and
=
>> >> tired of=20
>> >> you and threads<BR>>associated with you, which you continue to =
>> >> perpetrate;=20
>> >> perhaps we might<BR>>actively suggest to the list owner to bar=20
>> >> you?<BR>><BR>>After all, the bandwidth when compared to its
value =
>> >> as a=20
>> >> diver related<BR>>information service is getting way over the=20
>> >> top.<BR>><BR>>You are the principal cause of =
>> >> that.<BR>><BR>>Put up,=20
>> >> or shut up,<BR>><BR>>Christian<BR>>--<BR>>Send
mail for
>> the=20
>> >> `techdiver' mailing list to `<A=20
>> >>
>>
href=3D"mailto:techdiver@aquanaut.com'">techdiver@aquanaut.com'</A>.<BR>&=
>> >> gt;Send=20
>> >> subscribe/unsubscribe requests to `<A=20
>> >>
>>
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