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Steve, Let's cut to the chase. You whine about us making comments about things which we supposedly know nothing about. In the same breath you trumpet your acceptance and practice of DIR yet you obviously fail to understand the single most important aspect of DIR i.e. YOUR BUDDY IS YOUR LIFE SUPPORT and VICE VERSA. The facts are Steve, that Charlie McGurr is dead and nobody knows what killed him because his buddies, who should have been there to be his last chance, were making sure that they got their money's worth out of their precious little charter. Instead of accompanying Charlie to the surface they chose to leave him at the worst possible moment of his crisis. Since you are apparently some sort of know it all big time NE wreck diver I would expect you to know that there is no such thing as a "small problem" at any time during a dive and that the only place to resolve such an issue is safely on the surface. This is open water 101 tough guy. Instead, you and your pal JT want to blubber excuses and imply that we are the blame for causing his death because somehow or the other he was doing "WKPP shit". Were you Charlie's so called buddy? Charlie's buddy's were either too concerned with wasting their gas to make an extra excursion to the surface or they were wide eyed scared of some imaginary deco threat after a nonexistent exposure. The deco worry is one of the favorite excuses for leaving a freshly "dead buddy" for someone else to recover when in fact there may be a second chance to save their life. In the end analysis we will probably never know what specifically killed McGurr, but it does matter that his buddies were too concerned with their typical NE wreck diving personal preference bs attitude to have afforded him a second chance. -----Original Message----- From: Sdowdy@ex*.ne* <Sdowdy@ex*.ne*> To: kirvine@sa*.ne* <kirvine@sa*.ne*> Cc: techdiver@aquanaut.com <techdiver@aquanaut.com>; vbtech@ci*.co* <vbtech@ci*.co*> Date: Friday, August 27, 1999 2:07 PM Subject: Re: Even a broken clock is right twice a day Gee George, You speak an awful lot about "my" methods. Seems that I dive very similar equip/config as yourself and your team. It is great when you walk so well into the game. You emphasize my point to the T. I never commented on Bill's experience, nor yours. You guys have done dives that I have yet to do. But the fact still remains that you run your mouth with little knowledge about what goes on up here. Unfortunately you will probably never dive up here again. That is your loss indeed, but when JT or one of the boys up here makes a statement, you have no business commenting on it unless you were here. "Hear say" plays little in this game and you will rarely see JT, Jim C. or any of the guys try to factualize anything unless they were a part of it. A lesson a few of you loose lipped butt boys could learn. As far as being a stroke, you busted your own lip on that one, you know nothing of me, my methods, or my gear. But it is DIR and I am rather cozy with it. I've been down there, done the full cave deal, and have fun as much as I can. If you try to stereotype me into a ceiling of the cave wreck diver, you are the one who loses that guessing game. We look for first hand experience from you on what happens in your part of the world, and look elsewhere when it happens up here or anywhere else. If you would stop your guessing and let someone worthy handle it, all the information would be first-hand <We've seen you jerks in action.> I don't recall ever seeing you on any boat I was on. <You will never have any luck getting us to be quiet about the horror up there.> This is the real tragedy. Remember George, you don't know what it's like up here. Keep it first-hand. <The fact is that our methods make sense, yours can not be logically explained by anyone, including you.> They are the same methods, so that statement is not rational. <The fact is that can not do what we do, but we can do what you do.> Wrong, if you could do what we do, you would know to keep your mouth shut half the time. My issues are not about you, your methods, or experience, you know you have all of those, but your lack of control is full of slander, misinformation and plain stupidity. Oh, and to call me dumber than a clam, it only makes me smile, because once again, you don't even have a clue. Steve, before the ocean gets to you it passes us here in Florida. Bill has been diving these wrecks for 20 years. When he was teaching engineering at Brown Univerity up in Rhode Island, he was catching dinner the diving off of the bluffs up there. He does things you can not even fathom in our project, and it is a real laugh when a stroke like you commes and challenges any of us to anything. We've seen you jerks in action. When divers from here dive up there, they may use larger clips and wear gloves. When divers from up there try to do what we do here, they look like the strokes that they trully are. One of your big time wreck divers showed up down here trying to dive his pony in the cave at Ginnie, and spent his time crawling across the floor like an idiot. His name was Shiksa or somethign like that. I saw a flock or NJ wreck divers trying to enter the cave agt Ginnie one night several years ago while diving with Bill. We watched form the ceiling as these strokes stuggeled and bobbled and thrashed , going nowhere. The fact is that our methods make sense, yours can not be logically explained by anyone, including you. The fact is that can not do what we do, but we can do what you do. I will defer to our Swedish, Norwegian, British, Alaskan and other counterparts to point out to you that being a stroke is being a stroke - there are no excuses. There is no lattitude at which being a moron is acceptable . You will never have any luck getting us to be quiet about the horror up there. We ar not in the busines of making you happy, covering for your stupidity, or holding hands with you or anyone else on the constant prade of accidents and mistakes that are a direct result of the fact that you and your pals are dumber than the clams on the bottom of the sea up there. Sdowdy@ex*.ne* wrote: > > Bill, > You guys do great dives.....YeeHaaaaaa....congrats! > > But it gets old listening to a bunch of armchair divers. You guys > come up here, do our dives with us, and we'll even let you preach > your gospel to the strokes, (if you can actually find any) till you are > blue in the face. But until you come up, see how it goes, and meet > us, .......Shut the hell up. > > Unfortunately it's the quiet "Karst Boys" that truly shine. > > I've been there, seen your operation, ........your turn! > > Cheers > Stephen A.Dowdy > > 746 Granby Street > Norfolk, Virginia 23510-2012 > > 757-627-8311 ext 25 > Fax 757-627-0608 > -- > Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. > Send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to `techdiver-request@aquanaut.com'. Stephen A.Dowdy 746 Granby Street Norfolk, Virginia 23510-2012 757-627-8311 ext 25 Fax 757-627-0608 -- Send mail for the `techdiver' mailing list to `techdiver@aquanaut.com'. 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