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From: <kirvine@sa*.ne*>
Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 15:04:04 -0400
To: tgunther@co*.co*
CC: H2Ocaver <ezimmerm@ch*.ca*.us*.ed*>, Capt JT <captjt@mi*.co*>,
     Joel Silverstein ,
     scuba@md*.co*, techdiver@aquanaut.com, vbtech@ci*.co*,
     bdi@wh*.ne*, Chris Werner
Subject: Re: SAFETY PRACTICES
Tod, I am sick of your bull. Vit E tests are old as the hills, and the
amounts taken are insignificant, but then you know more about diving
than I do, you know more about what I do than I do, and you want to
argue - find somebody else.

The last two people I discussed this with in person were David Elliott
of Bennett and Elliot " The Physiology and Medicine of Diving", and the
man who conducted the experiments using vitamin E. The latter gave me
the doses per kilo weight that he used in the experiments - no big deal.
Maybe an asshole like you can tell us all what those experiments showed?
I think not. Both of these people are more likely to get my attention
than some rookie stroke with a big mouth who is talking to those who
have not made the cut at WKPP and want to attempt to discredit my
program by spreading partial hearsay and wannasay. They have no ideae
aht I really do or do not do. I long ago learned to keep that to myself
and those for whom it matters. It will not work - and the reason it will
not work is that I don't care what idiots think, and it just strengthens
my resolve to hold any and all information from anyone who I do not
trust or who does not understand it or who is incapable of putting thw
whole picture together.

I am so sick of armchair big mouths who have all the answers but no
experience and who can not do what I do . You get in the kind of
condition I am in, and then tell me about what I should an should not
take.

Diving is just one litle side hooby for me, I have things that are far
more important, and they come first. Staying in shape supercedes diving,
and in fact, asshole, provides a margin of safety that a guy like you
will never ba able to achieve. Avoiding damage from diving and the speed
of total recovery from extreme diving , better known as measurements of
"vital caapacity" are things I do so well that in fact Naval Warfare is
interseted in how I do that, and they have as their palyers all men in
their late teens and early twenties to work with.

There is just a tiny little chance Tod, that I know what I am doing and
you are nothing more than an argumentative jerk with nothing anyone
wants.

While you are yapping and suposing, I am doing. End of any discussion
with you . 


tgunther@co*.co* wrote:
> 
> George:
> 
> With all due respect, I don't really have to address the folly of popping
> anti-oxidants do I?     This is well documented in the medical industry, and I
> hate to say this, but they are the experts in this area and you are not
(though
> you might want to think so).   Sometimes it is so absurd how you use this
> "safety record" to justify everything you and the WKPP do.   I mean seriously,
> it's plain nutty.     With a straight face you admit that that yes I take a
lot
> of anti-oxidants but we don't die and therefore it must follow that our small
> band of WKPP is right and the vast medical industry is wrong.    Come on,
> George, transcend above the "farm animal stupid" you accuse so many others of
> being.   This 'we are super-humans and can do anything we want because we
don't
> die' is just looney.   Looney, George, just looney.   It sounds about as
> illogical and hillbilly dumb as an article I read about recently of a family
in
> the backhills of Kentucky who claim they've drank possum oil every morning for
> three generations and because they've lived longer than all the other families
> in the hills this "proves" that possum oil makes people live longer.    That's
> about how silly your reasoning is, George.    The medical industry has very
> sagient and well-documented reasons for avoiding the taking of anti-oxidants
> like they are candy store tic-tacs.   Ignore this advise if you wish, but stop
> positing yourself as if you are  the Six-Million Dollar Man.   You make
yourself
> look like a silly little clown instead.
> 
> Tod
> 
> p.s.   Thank you for your insight on the other areas discussed.   I agree with
> you.


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