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Subject: Re: The Six-Dollar Bozo
Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 19:52:04 -0400
From: Jim Cobb <cobber@ci*.co*>
To: "VB Tech" <vbtech@ci*.co*>, <tgunther@co*.co*>
cc: <kirvine@sa*.ne*>, "\"\\\"\\\" H2Ocaver\"" <ezimmerm@ch*.ca*.us*.ed*>,
     "\"\\\"\\\" Capt JT\"" ,
     "\"\\\"\\\" Joel Silverstein\"" ,
     , "Tech Diver" ,
     "\"\\\"\\\" Chris Werner\"" ,
     "Billy Williams"
Bill, the VBtech group when down to visit the chambers at Virginia Beach 
General (as none of us had been there before, knock on wood) and the 
chamber director said that the patients who take chamber rides for bends 
and treatments of other ailments (tissue damage in extremities, 
flesh-eating bacteria, etc.) are given 1000mg doses of vitamin E as a 
matter of routine.  When asked why, the director pretty much launched 
into what Bennet's says below.

So children, eat your vitamins before you dive. An apple a day probably 
won't hurt either. 

Interestingly the VBG chambers are clear acrylic tubes pressurized with 
O2, you breath through a mask for air breaks, backwards from diver-type 
deco chambers.

   Jim

Sender: Bill Mee  Date: 8/31/99 5:32 PM

>Tod,
>
>I am afraid that you are the Six Dollar Bozo on this one.  In your zeal to
>be a smart ass and run your alligator mouth you have failed to put your
>brain in gear before jerking off on the keyboard.  If you had even a shred
>of interest  in the physiology of diving you would first have read the
>chapter in Peter Bennet's book (i.e the Director of DAN) "The Physiology and
>Medicine of Diving" entitled "Oxygen Toxicity" and the equivalent chapter in
>Guyton's Human Physiology on Hyperbaric Physiology.
>
>If you had performed this simple action in lieu of jerking off on the
>gawking the public from your monkey cage you would have learned several
>things.  Among them:
>
>At hyperbaric oxygen partial pressures the Oxygen-Hemoglobin buffering
>system becomes saturated and the concentration of molecular oxygen begins to
>rise dramatically in the blood plasma and tissues. This leads to the
>formation of  free radical intermediates such as the superoxide anion,
>hydroxyl radical, singlet oxygen radical and cytotoxic oxidants such as
>hydrogen peroxide. It is accepted that the presence of radicals and
>intermediates can lead to pathological effects on organs and tissues.  There
>are a variety of built in biochemical defences against oxygen derived free
>radical damage which involve specific enzymes such as cytochrome oxidase and
>superoxide dismutase, catalase and glutathione peroxidase and guess what?
>Vitamin E, which reacts with chain propagating fatty acid radicals and
>reduces lipid peroxy and other related radicals. This has been demonstrated
>experimentally in vitro. Neurologic tissue is particularly rich in lipids
>and we would all agree that seizures and neural destruction are associated
>with persistent exposures to elevated oxygen partial pressures.
>
>Given the above as a background I do not consider it a frivolous indulgence
>to increase one's intake of Alpha Tocopherols (vitamin E) prior to a dive
>involving long exposures to hyperbaric oxygen.   At worst you might suffer
>from some unpleasant gastric reflux and at best you might mitigate some of
>the obvious pulmonary toicity and other internal and asymptomatic damage
>which occurs.
>
>As usual Tod you seem to vacilate from being sensible to being a blathering
>shill for one of our skulking detractors. I would appreciate it if you would
>divulge who the mole is so that we can put the real score card out on this
>weasel.  It would be well worth ratting this guy out for the massive coke
>spitting entertainment value alone.  Quit holding out on us.
>
>Best regards,
>
>Bill Mee
>>
>>>George:
>>
>>>With all due respect, I don't really have to address the folly of popping
>>>anti-oxidants do I?     This is well documented in the medical industry,
>>and I
>>>hate to say this, but they are the experts in this area and you are not
>>(though
>>>you might want to think so).   Sometimes it is so absurd how you use this
>>>"safety record" to justify everything you and the WKPP do.   I mean
>>seriously,
>>>it's plain nutty.     With a straight face you admit that that yes I take
>a
>>lot
>>>of anti-oxidants but we don't die and therefore it must follow that our
>>small
>>>band of WKPP is right and the vast medical industry is wrong.    Come on,
>>>George, transcend above the "farm animal stupid" you accuse so many others
>>of
>>>being.   This 'we are super-humans and can do anything we want because we
>>don't
>>>die' is just looney.   Looney, George, just looney.   It sounds about as
>>>illogical and hillbilly dumb as an article I read about recently of a
>>family in
>>>the backhills of Kentucky who claim they've drank possum oil every morning
>>for
>>>three generations and because they've lived longer than all the other
>>families
>>>in the hills this "proves" that possum oil makes people live longer.
>>That's
>>>about how silly your reasoning is, George.    The medical industry has
>very
>>>sagient and well-documented reasons for avoiding the taking of
>>anti-oxidants
>>>like they are candy store tic-tacs.   Ignore this advise if you wish, but
>>stop
>>>positing yourself as if you are  the Six-Million Dollar Man.   You make
>>yourself
>>>look like a silly little clown instead.
>>
>>>Tod
>>
>>p.s.   Thank you for your insight on the other areas discussed.   I agree
>>with
>>you.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>]
>>
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>
>
>
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