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From: <kirvine@sa*.ne*>
Date: Thu, 26 Aug 1999 20:24:38 -0400
To: Bill Mee <wwm@sa*.ne*>
CC: Richard Pyle <deepreef@bi*.or*>,
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Subject: Re: More Doctors Smoke Lucky Strike (was Richie Pyle recommends air for the masses)
Bill, the fact is that virtually every death in cave diving between 100
and 150 feet for trained divers was an unexplained air clusterfuck.
Every cis lunar death and every Inspiration death, most of the other rb
deaths, and most of the wreck diving deaths were solo diving, allowing
the "natural causes" or "diver error " defenses to be used. In the
sencond to last cis lunar death, we had diver errror changed to natural
cuases , lied about publicly, and then straightened out by an
investigative reporter for the Miami Herald. Bottom line is the man died
alone, never had a second chance, and he was only doing what Richie
brags about doing - solo diving.

Richie is on this cc list because he is a sympathizer for evey known
asshole in the game, and because he is the only one that this cc list
that they can even pretend is anything but a complete idiot, and based
on what he is saying, that may not be for much longer in my opinion if
he keeps it up.

Bill Mee wrote:
> 
> Subject: RE: DEEP AIR VOTE, was: (RE: Re:IANTD vs 70 m air instruction
> and158m air dives You gotta be kidding)
> 
> >snip
> > I personally am comfortable breathing
> >air to a maximum depth of about 150 feet (as I said in the post that seems
> >to have garnered so much attention). All the senseless name-calling in the
> >world won't change my feeling on this,....>
> 
> >Aloha,
> >Rich
> >
> Richie,
> 
> Is this my imagination or are you just joking here?
> 
> Diving in the 100 - 150 fsw range on air is a recipe for disaster and we
> don't need double blind studies and scholarly treatises to confirm what
> should long ago have become obvious to anyone serious about so called "tech
> diving".   This is the worst sort of treason coming from you, especially
> since you were one of the early people to use mixed gas in the ocean. In
> fact I was cleaning out some magazines last week and lo and behold a dusty
> old Aquacorps Journal with your youthful picture on the back turned up and
> the subject was said same.
> 
> Of particular horror is your advocacy of solo diving, a practice which has
> claimed quite a few lives of late.  To make matters worse you promote, by
> example, solo diving with rebreathers which is another endeavor with a
> disturbingly morbid track record. The problem is that you are considered the
> leading civiliam expert on computerized electronic ccrs and like Tom Mount,
> everyone wants to emulate you.  If Richie Pyle can dodge the bullet why
> can't Joe Shinola?
> 
> If Tom Mount can point to you and say "the leading practicing authority of
> solo deep open and closed circuit mixed gas diving endorses intermediate
> deep air" then a lot of people will listen to this lie and the end result is
> some over weighted poor fat bastard will go and get himself killed solo
> diving with an air pony on the Andrea Doria or some such deep junk pile. I
> know, I know, I know you will just disount what I and George say  as so much
> threadbare hyperbole, but the freshly minted dead people of this summer were
> very real and had names and families and believed the bs.  There is no
> shortage of 12 inch tough guys who want to prove that they are just as tough
> as Tom Mount and you.  Like Chris Werner said:
> 
> > Hey Richie, how is that you can deal with the deathtrap
> > (Cis-Lunar) that you
> > swear by diving, with all the complications and it hideous fatal track
> > record, but yet you cannot mix the right gas for OC?  You are one
> > lucky guy
> > and tougher than nails.
> >
> That's the problem.  You are articulate, tough and very lucky.  Mount and
> IANTD are on the wrong side of this air thing and resolutely refuse to
> change the standards. Unfortunately, for all involved, the standards will be
> changed, by mandate from the insurance companies, which are choking on the
> endless lawsuits and settlements. I fully expect that it is only a matter of
> time before you will be called as an expert witness (or defendant) in one of
> the many wrongful death lawsuits now pending and you will have to vigorously
> defend your above statement.  I surely hope that you have the bona fide
> belief and conviction to do so.
> 
> Best regards,
> 
> Bill

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