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Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 18:36:47 -0400
To: "Grant Jones" <grant@ow*.fr*.co*.uk*>
From: Skip MacElhannon <skipmac@cs*.co*>
Subject: Re: Slick of GRants
Cc: techdiver@aquanaut.com
If you have followed this list for long, or checked the archives, and actually
read some of numerous emails to you then you would see at least the following:

1. Answers from George Irvine responding to specific questions, even somewhat
dumb questions, regarding deco, equipment, rig, procedures, physical
conditioning, diet, etc.

2. Posts and comments from members of the WKPP on the same subjects (You can
look through the archives yourself, I feel like I've wasted too much time on
this already.)

3. Referal to the WKPP and GUE web sites that give DIR information in great
detail including: diagrams of rigging twinset regs, harness, and stages and the
rational behind the way the gear is rigged that way; specific equipment
recommendations, dive and safety procedures, etc, etc.  See
http://www.gue.com/equipment/jj-hogarth.html for a complete overview of DIR.

4. Referrals to DIR instructors and divers around the world (including UK) if
you want to meet someone and see first hand how to do it.

So, what more do you want, George to fly over to England and hold your hand? 
And, I see that  you are not above a snide remark of your own, or do you just
not like yanks in general?





At 10:01 PM 8/25/99 +0100, you wrote:
>  
>
>skip wrote:
>
>Hello
> >HELLO
> >HEEEEELLLOOOO.
> >GRANT!!
> >
> >Are you listening?
> >
> >I would guess at least 10-12 members (myself included, in a number of
> >posts, written as logically and politely as I could manage) have explained
> >that the DIR message has been given repeatedly, in detail, with diagrams,
> >logical explanations, ad infinitum.
>
>     Where?, don't just say "we did it", tell me where, so I can read them
>
>   Guess what?  The unrepentant strokes
> >respond exactly the way you are responding to all the posts trying to
> >answer your repeated bleating.
> >
> >To summarize, the response from the confirmed DIW (Doing It Wrong for the
> >slow starters) crowd to polite logic is typically "huh" or sometimes "duh"
> >and always ignoring the logic.  This seems to be the direction your replies
> >have taken
>
>     I hear lots of people saying "we KEEP telling people", I dont want to
>hear that, I want to know what you've told them, so how about directions to
>where its wrote down, taped, or otherwise recorded.
>
>.  I cannot decided if you have a reading comprehension problem,
> >if you are just one of the deep air diving morons masquerading as an
> >enquiring mind to stir the pot a little,
>
>     Wrong, no deep air here, I stay well within my limits
>
>or just masochistic and needed a
> >little on line abuse.
>
>     I certainly don't need it.........
>
>   Whichever, the bottom line is you are ignoring the
> >message and content of every response to your complaints and keep repeating
> >the same tired whine, "all the DIR guys are soooo mean, no one can ever
> >listen".
>
>     So give me sources, then I can leave the insults behind and go learning
>
>And you wonder why some get exasperated and resort to profanity
> >and more?
>
>     Not really, I've met many yanks.........
>
>     Grant
>
>
> >
> >At 06:24 PM 8/22/99 +0100, you wrote:
> >>
> >>    If it was b/, then you would proberly have a very bloody nose, why not
> >>just explain the difference and tell people of their faults, I.e. people
> >>have been killed wearing this model -  fairly straight forward, don't you
> >>think?
> >>
> >>    Grant
> >>-----Original Message-----
> >>From: bdi@wh*.ne* <bdi@wh*.ne*>
> >>To: techdiver <techdiver@aquanaut.com>
> >>Date: 22 August 1999 08:37
> >>Subject: Re: Slick of GRants
> >>
> >>
> >>>At 12:39 AM 22/8/99 +0100, Grant Jones wrote:
> >>>
> >>>>    Is it any wonder that dir is so slow getting off the
> >>>>ground, with this sort of attitude, towards people who want
> >>>>to learn about it?
> >>>
> >>>I've been meaning to speak to you about the attitude, Grant.
> >>>You really ought to open up a little. Look and learn instead
> >>>of ducking and weaving. Otherwise your attitude is going to
> >>>get someone killed. Probably one of your students.
> >>>
> >>>And while we're on the subject of ducking and weaving, you
> >>>still haven't answered the question....
> >>>
> >>>>>Grant, which do you find more insulting...
> >>>>>
> >>>>>a) I tell you you're a great guy while I sell you a set of bungy
> >>>>>wings that *I* know (and you don't) have been implicated in several
> >>>>>diving deaths, or
> >>>>>
> >>>>>b) I tell you you're a long-stroke, dipshit wanker if you dive
> >>>>>and recommend bungy wings that let go the OP valve before they
> >>>>>inflate fully and have been implicated in at least three deaths.
> >>>>>
> >>>
> >>>rgds billyw
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> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
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> >
> >
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